All of my spam-flagged messages from yesterday (by gmail) were from Alberto.
Seems like DKIM / DMARC are broken for that abrao.net? It says "body hash did not verify" but the TXT records appear to be valid. I can't check to see if the MTA setting is in sync with the DNS setting though.
Delivered-To: scott@100percenthelpdesk.com Received: by 2002:aca:afcd:0:0:0:0:0 with SMTP id y196csp3384571oie; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-Smtp-Source: ADFU+vuiyzDwRpJrzhLhiV5URaWa3Oobj0hTvE81swYwSfFbPkrqL9kKUdZnqetPeeY+mHVffE+3 X-Received: by 2002:a02:9a18:: with SMTP id b24mr14693132jal.110.1585632847649; Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT) ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1585632847; cv=none; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; b=Zado7q0sScF+5IU1dqiC9EFpVoV72uP6cb/IueHD1Fc4xa4cm7s4Bh8pyFHIedm2aX mSMQy2u4baxl0kxYwWpR1am1R73wD+th/aBJpPHbTDNeoBLy9T6qI2VtYSX/q/Ks8idn js8lhiywS08NbQEkEUrmcMMqNnGe8Xt8QLQA9ssgStByut2ry5khajvphjbNaZGyScq0 ijHdvZ0qxbc0lnKirypHSyY/Z48uqUJ2jKPu8pWxvrgNQtI27aQuWPogdHILYygGlU9r CKln0BJ+P1V9KA+gcmzH06ah9I5gVis1LWsMqOgMJwpLGCGwJbzw8BCwfI/mjqA6VXTC SJWw== ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=arc-20160816; h=sender:errors-to:content-transfer-encoding:reply-to:list-subscribe :list-help:list-post:list-archive:list-unsubscribe:list-id :precedence:subject:content-language:in-reply-to:mime-version:date :message-id:references:to:from:dkim-signature; bh=oidrPMRbCLmiRjW63AagbwfVKumSw9oODcPZ+bJRVDY=; b=E4L7LPClJUlZQ5EC9adhbUbRsIwwFBsa2aNxtcXwk6P+KYQvDRNPI1IGNG7lfqEoTg oZITXenF3j2l9EO4bN4GEFTRu6uHHyzYSD3lxj515+N5YdyNYq4uvKFcB32kDoMY8d6t AU+KAqPk/tD9ckdfAzBMBI3bFm0ORxrEWDjfwSdRXzi2/GqtwIjjqWs1uQVn6YUGNWwC y/Poq200sqKioAVBD6CyImVqRlpu0hdawl4ep90hCGXkiUh6Cxn49Kh2RbJPNlbY2AUH +vfwBO2U+ALv3hPsmtlh9RiJrYybuq2/V9v20hPpfXEDBWpsQa3Mv/WOdxlXvxPhVhWv Nw5Q== ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@abrao.net header.s=20200203 header.b=eM3lj8iw; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of roundtable-bounces@muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roundtable-bounces@muug.ca; dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=QUARANTINE) header.from=abrao.net Return-Path: roundtable-bounces@muug.ca Received: from muug.ca (muug.ca. [2605:e200:3:4::244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r76si11367775jac.115.2020.03.30.22.34.07 for scott@100percenthelpdesk.com (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 30 Mar 2020 22:34:07 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of roundtable-bounces@muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted sender) client-ip=2605:e200:3:4::244; Authentication-Results: mx.google.com; dkim=neutral (body hash did not verify) header.i=@abrao.net header.s=20200203 header.b=eM3lj8iw; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of roundtable-bounces@muug.ca designates 2605:e200:3:4::244 as permitted sender) smtp.mailfrom=roundtable-bounces@muug.ca; dmarc=fail (p=REJECT sp=REJECT dis=QUARANTINE) header.from=abrao.net Received: from muug.ca (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by muug.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTP id 02V5Y6ed002196; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:07 -0500 Received: from mail.abrao.net (abiha.abrao.net [184.67.182.250]) by muug.ca (8.15.2/8.15.2/Debian-14~deb10u1) with ESMTP id 02V5Y1at001968 for roundtable@muug.ca; Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:04 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=abrao.net; s=20200203; t=1585632836; h=from:from:sender:reply-to:subject:subject:date:date: message-id:message-id:to:to:cc:mime-version:mime-version: content-type:content-type: content-transfer-encoding:content-transfer-encoding: in-reply-to:in-reply-to:references:references; bh=c4ZdddDvQqm6pzFiBJQ3rqWRVosL/6OdU+FZ5YcYb/Y=; b=eM3lj8iwWHCR5sdGh7QD7i1h5IpxvjkAAwRzwc0HB2RFX88uTurNAH+bLI4CW/l8BK2NMc g+mOYpQtyLc8uQKd/9A9fL88N+Y2wUYVSo4tRG4p0d3DarP9FkepJDusta2M3Ey5oTE5+b BPYM9I+b/6QHGewGc3pp9zmu7IGWnDvvz0c/v81pofHFSnNTNQ54JyLNF3hPelu67ACa/d sFTWwo9qHoimqdXf1po1dUXb3be3wbKncvkG6yIfuSzAxRxl4Eq0B1dMiQFKLq2o1eePhI ScUQMLCJ3Ma05pma71oGl+vRVwMGZsuu0GfgPIUEqaP2VZZ/pRQs79sddza+Wg== From: Alberto Abrao alberto@abrao.net To: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca References: a0273605-e22a-fd1d-4b40-9fe5717481bd@abrao.net 20200330170424.04a129a3@pog.tecnopolis.ca 168980b5-05bf-0d84-9983-64492c989bf9@abrao.net 20200330230613.51cdb0f3@pog.tecnopolis.ca 94e07f2f-f906-cf1b-0743-538fe90edcca@abrao.net Message-ID: 53d665c5-c798-2fe3-e479-3bdef9c8ee5f@abrao.net Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:33:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: 94e07f2f-f906-cf1b-0743-538fe90edcca@abrao.net Content-Language: en-US X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:07 -0500 (CDT) for IP:'127.0.0.1' DOMAIN:'localhost' HELO:'muug.ca' FROM:'roundtable-bounces@muug.ca' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [127.0.0.1]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:07 -0500 (CDT) X-Greylist: inspected by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [208.81.1.244]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:04 -0500 (CDT) for IP:'184.67.182.250' DOMAIN:'abiha.abrao.net' HELO:'mail.abrao.net' FROM:'alberto@abrao.net' RCPT:'' X-Greylist: IP, sender and recipient auto-whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.5.11 (muug.ca [208.81.1.244]); Tue, 31 Mar 2020 00:34:04 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.2 required=5.0 tests=DKIM_SIGNED,DKIM_VALID, DKIM_VALID_AU,DKIM_VALID_EF,SPF_HELO_NONE,SPF_PASS autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=3.4.2 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.2 (2018-09-13) on muug.ca X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.1 at muug X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Main firewall / router for public facing subnet X-BeenThere: roundtable@muug.ca X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable.muug.ca> List-Unsubscribe: https://muug.ca/mailman/options/roundtable, mailto:roundtable-request@muug.ca?subject=unsubscribe List-Archive: http://muug.ca/pipermail/roundtable/ List-Post: mailto:roundtable@muug.ca List-Help: mailto:roundtable-request@muug.ca?subject=help List-Subscribe: https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable, mailto:roundtable-request@muug.ca?subject=subscribe Reply-To: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Errors-To: roundtable-bounces@muug.ca Sender: Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca
On 2020-03-31 12:58 a.m., Hartmut W Sager wrote:
Oh, and all 4 of Alberto's postings of the last 18 hours "reliably" went to my Gmail spam. :(
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 00:55, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager@marityme.net mailto:hwsager@marityme.net> wrote:
> If I tell mailman to send me a copy too, > then I'll always get 2 copies. Except if you're using Gmail as your infrastructure (like I am). Gmail only posts the message once when it recognizes the unique Message-ID as duplicated, even if the multiple messages come into "To" and/or "cc" via different target e-mail addresses (which is often my case). I hate to make Gmail look good, especially when I started this "bash Gmail" thread, but hey, they do a few things right. (Like labels!) Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331 On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 23:18, Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.ca <mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca>> wrote: Oh, I see why the mailing lists sometimes default to replying to the list and sometimes to the sender... if I'm in the To:/Cc: explicitly then when I hit reply it goes just to the sender. If I'm not, it goes to the list. Ah: because the ones explicitly to me are not even going through mailman (even though mailman is on the Cc:). I think there's a setting in each subscriber's mailman to also (or not) send a copy when you're already on the Cc:. A bit frustrating as there's no good solution. If I tell mailman to send me a copy too, then I'll always get 2 copies. And I can't tell the origin mail server not to send me that other copy... Unless someone can think of something I haven't, looks like using reply-to-all or reply-to-sender explicitly each time, and never using just "reply", is the only way to ensure the MUA is doing what I want. Or... I guess if everyone refrains from ever letting any individual person's email address get into the To:'s and Cc:'s that mailman sees... good luck with that! _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca <mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca> https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
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