All of my spam-flagged messages from yesterday (by gmail) were from Alberto.

Seems like DKIM / DMARC are broken for that abrao.net? It says "body hash did not verify" but the TXT records appear to be valid. I can't check to see if the MTA setting is in sync with the DNS setting though.



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On 2020-03-31 12:58 a.m., Hartmut W Sager wrote:
Oh, and all 4 of Alberto's postings of the last 18 hours "reliably" went to my Gmail spam.  :(
 
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331


On Tue, 31 Mar 2020 at 00:55, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager@marityme.net> wrote:
> If I tell mailman to send me a copy too,
> then I'll always get 2 copies.
 
Except if you're using Gmail as your infrastructure (like I am).  Gmail only posts the message once when it recognizes the unique Message-ID as duplicated, even if the multiple messages come into "To" and/or "cc" via different target e-mail addresses (which is often my case).
 
I hate to make Gmail look good, especially when I started this "bash Gmail" thread, but hey, they do a few things right.  (Like labels!)
 
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331


On Mon, 30 Mar 2020 at 23:18, Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote:
Oh, I see why the mailing lists sometimes default to replying to the
list and sometimes to the sender... if I'm in the To:/Cc: explicitly
then when I hit reply it goes just to the sender.  If I'm not, it goes
to the list.  Ah: because the ones explicitly to me are not even going
through mailman (even though mailman is on the Cc:).  I think there's a
setting in each subscriber's mailman to also (or not) send a copy when
you're already on the Cc:.

A bit frustrating as there's no good solution.  If I tell mailman to
send me a copy too, then I'll always get 2 copies.  And I can't tell
the origin mail server not to send me that other copy... Unless someone
can think of something I haven't, looks like using reply-to-all or
reply-to-sender explicitly each time, and never using just "reply", is
the only way to ensure the MUA is doing what I want.

Or... I guess if everyone refrains from ever letting any individual
person's email address get into the To:'s and Cc:'s that mailman
sees... good luck with that!
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