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Re: [RndTbl] TTY1 and Starting X Windows
by gedetil＠cs.umanitoba.ca 19 Apr '06

19 Apr '06

According to Montana Quiring: > Hello, > > Thanks for your feedback at the last MUUG meeting about the problem I had > with Control+C droping someone to a shell prompt in the forst TTY. > > I had a google group thread here if you want to read/respond there: > http://groups.google.ca/group/ubuntu_lite/browse_thread/thread/11b044eeebe0… If you read this thread to the end, you'll see that the X server is launched from within root's ~/.bash_profile, which would explain why you see this problem... > I changed the line in /etc/inittab from: > 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -login > /dev/tty1 2>&1 < /dev/tty1 > to: > 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 > > and that solves to problem of getting to a shell but now X Windows doesn't > start. > > I don't fully understand what the orig line is doing and I think that's my > problem. As Bill mentioned, the redirect stuff is what you see at the end of the line. however, the /bin/bash -login is the key part here. The -login option forces bash to treat this as a login shell, and read the .bash_profile for the logged-in user (root in this case, since init runs as root, and nothing has been done to change to a different userid). This strikes me as a roundabout way of doing things, and also (as you've discovered) not very bullet-proof. I'd recommend you change the .bash_profile to not start the X server from there, but rather start it in its own line in /etc/inittab, such as this... x:5:respawn:/usr/X11R6/bin/startx Decide which runlevel(s) is/are appropriate for this system, of course. Also, you may want to just use the command line you've commented out of the .bash_profile, if it's different than the startx above, but you will need to specify the full path name of the command explicitly, I believe. Also note that commands started in inittab aren't automatically bound to a tty (such as a virtual console), so you might need to explicitly do so using redirects (as they did for the bash -login). That's not necessary when you invoke getty, since you specify a tty as a command line argument to it, and it's job is to set up a process group bound to the tty. This likely won't matter in the case of X, but if you want to debug or check output from the X server or clients, then you should redirect it somewhere (a log file if not a virtual console). -- Gilbert E. Detillieux E-mail: <gedetil(a)cs.umanitoba.ca> Dept. of Computer Science Web: http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~gedetil/ University of Manitoba Phone: (204)474-8161 Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R3T 2N2 Fax: (204)474-7609

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[Fwd: Re: [RndTbl] TTY1 and Starting X Windows]
by Montana Quiring 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Sorry, I forgot to CC MUUG. -Montana ---------------------------- Original Message ---------------------------- Subject: Re: [RndTbl] TTY1 and Starting X Windows From: "Montana Quiring" <montanaq(a)gmail.com> Date: Tue, April 18, 2006 3:05 pm To: "Bill Reid" <billreid(a)shaw.ca> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for The reply Bill. I tried changing inittab again and this time around it lets me start X after I log in. I miht have goofed something last time. Because these machines are in a lab I want them to log into X automatically like they were doing, and I don't want the students to have access to the command line. Do I need to install a login-manager? -Montana "When I give, I give myself. -Walt Whitman On Tue, April 18, 2006 12:08 pm, Bill Reid said: > Montana Quiring wrote: > >> >> and that solves to problem of getting to a shell but now X Windows doesn't >> start. >> > > Do you mean that issuing the startx does not work? > >> I don't fully understand what the orig line is doing and I think that's my >> problem. >> > > It is setting stdout and stdout to tty1 and redirecting stderr to stdout. > > -- Bill >

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TTY1 and Starting X Windows
by Montana Quiring 18 Apr '06

18 Apr '06

Hello, Thanks for your feedback at the last MUUG meeting about the problem I had with Control+C droping someone to a shell prompt in the forst TTY. I had a google group thread here if you want to read/respond there: http://groups.google.ca/group/ubuntu_lite/browse_thread/thread/11b044eeebe0… I changed the line in /etc/inittab from: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -login > /dev/tty1 2>&1 < /dev/tty1 to: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 and that solves to problem of getting to a shell but now X Windows doesn't start. I don't fully understand what the orig line is doing and I think that's my problem. I tried to put a Control C trap in ~.bash_profile, ~.bashrc, /etc/profile /etc/bash.bashrc by putting this line it: trap "" 2 It works after the X server has been killed but doesn't seem to stop my from pressing Control C to kill it. Maybe I'm going about this all wrong. If I run /sbin/getty in the inittab how do I get it to start X? Any help would be appreciated. -Montana "When I give, I give myself. -Walt Whitman

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TTY1 and Starting X Windows
by Montana Quiring 17 Apr '06

17 Apr '06

Hello, Thanks for your feedback at the last MUUG meeting about the problem I had with Control+C droping someone to a shell prompt in the forst TTY. I had a google group thread here if you want to read/respond there: http://groups.google.ca/group/ubuntu_lite/browse_thread/thread/11b044eeebe0… I changed the line in /etc/inittab from: 1:2345:respawn:/bin/bash -login > /dev/tty1 2>&1 < /dev/tty1 to: 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/getty 38400 tty1 and that solves to problem of getting to a shell but now X Windows doesn't start. I don't fully understand what the orig line is doing and I think that's my problem. Any help would be appreciated. -Montana "When I give, I give myself. -Walt Whitman *** If your email looks like it's a forward and not a personally composed email, I may not get time to read it. If you're email is more than 1 Meg in size I probably won't open it. ***

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Winnipeg Python Users Group
by Stuart Williams 12 Apr '06

12 Apr '06

At last night's MUUG meeting someone asked me why the Winnipeg Python Users Group meets in the middle of the afternoon. We don't (anymore). Our next meeting is April 26th at 7:30 p.m., usually done by 9:00 or 9:30 p.m. We'll be looking at some novice code, so while not an explicit introduction to Python, it should be approachable to all. For more information see our web site at http://WinniPUG.ca Stuart Williams.

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Norton Ghost / re-install Lilo
by rayhenry＠autoclubs.ca 08 Apr '06

08 Apr '06

OK, have a RedHat 7 system with a dying HD. So I ran Norton Ghost and copied everything over to a newer drive (same size, just newer). I've been hours on the 'Net and tried a number of different instructions on installign Lilo to the new HD so that it boots when moved from hdb to hda. Nothing seems to work. Sorry, I haven't logged everything I've done, as I (silly me) kept hoping that *this time* something *would* work. But this shutting down every night to re-Ghost the drive to keep it current when I try something new is just silly. It seems to me that there has to be a pretty straight forward way of installing Lilo that I'm just not finding. This is my last shot at doing it this way, I'm hoping someone has an idea.... My next move is to just build another server, and set everything up on that one...

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Novell/Suse Enterprise 10 Desktop
by Bill Reid 07 Apr '06

07 Apr '06

Earlier this week I saw a demo of the Suse 10 Desktop. Pretty slick. It has many of the candy of OS X including the "Expose" feature. http://www.novell.com/products/desktop/preview.html Check out the Visual Workspace video: http://www.novell.com/video/desktop/ -- Bill

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Employment opportunity
by rayhenry＠autoclubs.ca 06 Apr '06

06 Apr '06

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MUUG Meeting, Apr 11, 7:30pm -- FUSE Implementation
by gedetil＠cs.umanitoba.ca 04 Apr '06

04 Apr '06

[Posted to man.unix.general and other news groups] ------ Forwarded Article <e0ufj0$9q3$1(a)canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> ------ From gedetil(a)cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux) The Manitoba UNIX User Group (MUUG) will be holding its next monthly meeting on Tuesday, April 11. The meeting topic for this month is as follows: FUSE Implementation FUSE, or Filesystems in USErspace, is a great new method for regular users to create filesystem-like device drivers in userspace, without the need for all those messy kernel compiles. FUSE is now included in the stock Linux kernel as of 2.6.14, and is rapidly being deployed by a large number of people to create device drivers for specialty hardware, or improved filesystem support. Scott Balneaves will outline what you need to start writing your own filesystem (hint: not much), and some of the cool things you can do with FUSE. The group holds its general meetings at 7:30pm on the second Tuesday of every month from September to June. (There are no meetings in July and August.) Meetings are open to the general public; you don't have to be a MUUG member to attend. ********************************************************************** Please note our meeting location: The IBM offices, at 400 Ellice Ave. (between Edmonton and Kennedy). When you arrive, you will have to sign in at the reception desk, and then wait for someone to take you (in groups) to the meeting room. Please try to arrive by about 7:15pm, so the meeting can start promptly at 7:30pm. Don't be late, or you may not get in. (But don't come too early either, since security may not be there to let you in before 7:15 or so.) Limited parking is available for free on the street, or in a lot across Ellice from IBM, for $1.00 for the evening. Indoor parking is also available nearby, at Portage Place, for $2.00 for the evening. ********************************************************************** For more information about MUUG, and its monthly meetings, check out their Web server: http://www.muug.mb.ca/ Also note that MUUG maintains two mailing lists, called "muug-announce" and "roundtable". If you're not already on these lists, we encourage you to subscribe now: http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/ The "muug-announce" list is used for monthly meeting announcements (such as this one) as well as other important announcements of interest to MUUG members. The "rountable" list is meant to be a forum for follow-ups to topics discussed at the meetings, or for round-table-style discussion on other topics that come up between meetings. Of course, for this to be effective, we need to reach a certain critical mass. So, please subscribe, and stay involved! -- Gilbert E. Detillieux E-mail: <gedetil(a)muug.mb.ca> Manitoba UNIX User Group Web: http://www.muug.mb.ca/ P.O. Box 130, St-Boniface Phone: (204)474-8161 Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R2H 3B4 Fax: (204)474-7609 ------ End of Forwarded Article

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Job available: PostgreSQL
by John Lange 29 Mar '06

29 Mar '06

There is a need for a PostgreSQL specialist with a prominent Winnipeg company. If you are interested or know of someone who is please contact me off-list. -- John Lange OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872 VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location

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