Despite my very limited knowledge of all your interests I was already aware of your well above average appreciation for fonts and wondered if or when you would add to the exchange.

My thanks for doing so and adding that lasers make this easy.

By way of metaphor I have a class one drivers license which means I can drive a heavy longer rig on the public highways, but may have little to no knowledge of the internal workings of the machine, know how to modify it.

I have a computer and a laser printer, this may sound like a stupid question to you, but even though Thunderbird and Libre Office has tons of various fonts available, forgive me when I asked how to have a repertoire of appreciated fonts easily available whenever I write, or even better be able to tweak and modify them much the same way a wordprocessing editor, especially in foremost Wordstar (in comparison to all others unfamiliar with) allows me to easily modify whatever text I write.

Best!

Eduard

On 2025-04-12 09:25, Hartmut W Sager wrote:

That was very good! I enjoyed it. And yes, I love the finer points of fonts.

Unfortunately, the typewriter (mono-font, mono-spaced) caused a great reduction in font appreciation, even though books, newspapers, and periodicals kept 500 years of font heritage alive. The laser printer finally came to the rescue.

Hartmut

On Thu 10 Apr 2025 at 19:27:40 -05:00, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:

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Since I know there's a bunch of font nerds in here: https://youtu.be/azDaPm13CT8

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On 2025-04-14 Montana Quiring wrote:

i.e. The 8 (up) on one numpad would be mapped to "w" and the 8 on the other numpad could be mapped to an "i" for example. Plus another full sized keyboard hooked up to the Pi would function normally.

You actually have 2 problems there:

1) How to make X or Wayland differentiate between the 2 input devices, which at some layers will just appear as the same thing (8 on one will be the same keysym as 8 on the other)

2) How to make X or Wayland map the keys to different keys (taking into account #1 above)

#2 is pretty easy in X. My hunch is X will make all of this easier rather than Wayland, mostly because no one has thought of all the corner use cases for Wayland yet. So maybe find an X distro for the Pi. Also, wacky use cases for X should be numerous on the net forums, whereas Wayland is all brand new.

#1: I have no idea, but could look into it. I have not dealt with a layer in X that would handle this, though it probably exists. One that would let you change the keysyms based on which input device is operating?

One would think this would all fall under "accessibility", because there are all sorts of wacky devices for those with impairments, and you could easily have more than 1 of the same device (say, foot pedals) that you want to have do different things.

In any event, it almost certainly will require some intense conf file editing. I'd be shocked if there was a gui for any of this.

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You might be able to do something at the evdev level, which exists below Wayland. (Surprisingly good overview at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evdev)

I haven’t tested it, but input-remapper, linked from Input remap utilities - ArchWikihttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Input_remap_utilities [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Input_remap_utilities] looks like what you want.

-Adam

From: Montana Quiring montanaq@gmail.com Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 11:12 AM To: Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca Cc: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca Subject: [RndTbl] Re: RaspPi: Multiple "keyboard", keys do different things

Thanks for the info! Hmmm... Maybe it would be easier to just grab an older Win 7 mini PC that's kicking around and use the Windows driver. Oh well. I plug away at it. I'm in no rush and don't have a lot of spare time so I'll tinker when I can. :) I want to set up a mini arcade 2 player cabinet of this old DOS classic Spacewar: https://dosgames.com/game/spacewar/ I'm sure that brings back memories for some of you. ;)

Ya, I keep thinking of swinging by a MUUG meeting but life keeps pulling me in other directions. I'll get there eventually.

Regards, -Montana

On Mon, Apr 14, 2025 at 6:07 PM Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.camailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote: On 2025-04-14 Montana Quiring wrote:

i.e. The 8 (up) on one numpad would be mapped to "w" and the 8 on the other numpad could be mapped to an "i" for example. Plus another full sized keyboard hooked up to the Pi would function normally.

You actually have 2 problems there:

1) How to make X or Wayland differentiate between the 2 input devices, which at some layers will just appear as the same thing (8 on one will be the same keysym as 8 on the other)

2) How to make X or Wayland map the keys to different keys (taking into account #1 above)

#2 is pretty easy in X. My hunch is X will make all of this easier rather than Wayland, mostly because no one has thought of all the corner use cases for Wayland yet. So maybe find an X distro for the Pi. Also, wacky use cases for X should be numerous on the net forums, whereas Wayland is all brand new.

#1: I have no idea, but could look into it. I have not dealt with a layer in X that would handle this, though it probably exists. One that would let you change the keysyms based on which input device is operating?

One would think this would all fall under "accessibility", because there are all sorts of wacky devices for those with impairments, and you could easily have more than 1 of the same device (say, foot pedals) that you want to have do different things.

In any event, it almost certainly will require some intense conf file editing. I'd be shocked if there was a gui for any of this.

Cheers! P.S. Come out to a meeting sometime, we miss you Montana!

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Thanks for the ideas everyone. Appreciate it. I'll tinker with it when the two USB keypads come in.

Regards, -Montana

On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 4:36 PM Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.camailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote: On 2025-04-16 Adam Thompson wrote:

You might be able to do something at the evdev level, which exists below Wayland. (Surprisingly good overview at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evdev)

I haven’t tested it, but input-remapper, linked from Input remap utilities - ArchWikihttps://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Input_remap_utilities [https://wiki.archlinux.org/title/Input_remap_utilities] looks like what you want.

That arch page is really handy. So for sure you can do your #2 requirement, but I'm still not sold that these can do #1.

However, it must be possible, as how would you map different keys to 2 different joysticks (for example) if you can't differentiate between input devices. I'm probably fretting over nothing and these programs will make life easy.

And a GUI too! If it works, what luxury!

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