Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard
With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end, with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP stage. Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address configured into one's Gmail would *not* do the trick.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, eh@eduardhiebert.com wrote:
Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
EH> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
On reread, I realize I should have clarified even further: Even if one or more recipients in "to", "cc", or "bcc" are using Gmail, Gmail has no way of seeing the other "bcc's" as long as Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP (sending) stage.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:48, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote:
With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end, with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP stage. Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address configured into one's Gmail would *not* do the trick.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, eh@eduardhiebert.com wrote:
Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
If you BCC multiple people who have their email at GMail, in many circumstances the sending MTA will usually batch all those emails together and deliver them in one SMTP connection. Google might be able to infer a connection, I don't know if they even try at that level or not. Even though those email addresses are not present in the RFC822 (et al.) header, the receiving MTA(s) will see them one at a time, at the very least. Whether it sees them together or as individual transactions is implementation-dependent (at the sending end). -Adam
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EH> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
On reread, I realize I should have clarified even further: Even if one or more recipients in "to", "cc", or "bcc" are using Gmail, Gmail has no way of seeing the other "bcc's" as long as Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP (sending) stage.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:48, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager@marityme.netmailto:hwsager@marityme.net> wrote: With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end, with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP stage. Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address configured into one's Gmail would not do the trick.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, <eh@eduardhiebert.commailto:eh@eduardhiebert.com> wrote: Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.camailto:Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
Those are *very* good points, Adam. Google is certainly in a position (competency-wise) to apply AI-type algorithms across a large number of incoming e-mails and make inferences.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 at 10:43, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
If you BCC multiple people who have their email at GMail, in many circumstances the sending MTA will usually batch all those emails together and deliver them in one SMTP connection. Google might be able to infer a connection, I don't know if they even try at that level or not. Even though those email addresses are not present in the RFC822 (et al.) header, the receiving MTA(s) will see them one at a time, at the very least. Whether it sees them together or as individual transactions is implementation-dependent (at the sending end). -Adam
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*From:* Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca on behalf of Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net *Sent:* Wednesday, February 2, 2022 10:31:27 AM *To:* MUUG - Round Table roundtable@muug.ca *Subject:* Re: [RndTbl] gOOgle/gmail prying eyes
EH> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
On reread, I realize I should have clarified even further: Even if one or more recipients in "to", "cc", or "bcc" are using Gmail, Gmail has no way of seeing the other "bcc's" as long as Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP (sending) stage.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:48, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote:
With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end, with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP stage. Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address configured into one's Gmail would *not* do the trick.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, eh@eduardhiebert.com wrote:
Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
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I would think it shouldn’t be too hard to make the inference based on the message-id and thread-index headers.
On Feb 2, 2022, at 10:39, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
If you BCC multiple people who have their email at GMail, in many circumstances the sending MTA will usually batch all those emails together and deliver them in one SMTP connection. Google might be able to infer a connection, I don't know if they even try at that level or not. Even though those email addresses are not present in the RFC822 (et al.) header, the receiving MTA(s) will see them one at a time, at the very least. Whether it sees them together or as individual transactions is implementation-dependent (at the sending end). -Adam
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EH> My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
On reread, I realize I should have clarified even further: Even if one or more recipients in "to", "cc", or "bcc" are using Gmail, Gmail has no way of seeing the other "bcc's" as long as Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP (sending) stage.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:48, Hartmut W Sager <hwsager@marityme.net mailto:hwsager@marityme.net> wrote: With bcc specifically, the split/sendout to individual bcc targets (separate e-mails to each) takes place at the SMTP (sending server) end, with no bcc list shown, and therefore none of the "to", "cc", and other "bcc" targets get to see the bcc list.
However, you'd still want to be sure that Gmail/Google isn't involved at the SMTP stage. Using one's own domain-based "send-from" address configured into one's Gmail would not do the trick.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On Tue, 1 Feb 2022 at 14:35, <eh@eduardhiebert.com mailto:eh@eduardhiebert.com> wrote: Hi,
Pertaining reasonable privacy concerns one key question, but first the qualifiers.
Any and all email crossing gOOgles hands whether their user or NOT gets copied and data mined.
If a non-gmail address sends one email to multiple contacts and one of them is on gmail or to any of gOOgle's cloaked and hidden email service account provider such as for the CBC, gOOgle has access to it.
My question is, if an email is sent to multiple parties and even if one of these is gmail, but should those who are on BCC (the non gmail ones) still somehow be visible to gmail?
Thanks,
Eduard _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
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