well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days.
(And I don't have any kicking around anyway.)
Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc.
There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too.
On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote:
well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
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thanks for the info Scott - as you can tell, I'm not a windows guy, so i dont know their licencing. good to know though. Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:59 PM Scott Toderash scott@100percenthelpdesk.com wrote:
iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days.
(And I don't have any kicking around anyway.)
Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc.
There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too.
On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote:
well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
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Also, unless the PC has >32GB RAM or >4 CPU sockets (not cores), the bit about better using hardware resources is 100% B.S. and is a holdover from the XP days. There are plenty of other reasons to use server instead of workstation licenses, though - the main one that comes to mind is licensing: it's not legal to service more than 4 (???) remote clients from a workstation-licensed system, or something like that. Also, the TCP stack tuning is set for much higher connection counts on server, a workstation OS may start refusing connections much sooner than anticipated.
-Adam
On 2020-03-30 14:01, Dan Keizer wrote:
thanks for the info Scott - as you can tell, I'm not a windows guy, so i dont know their licencing. good to know though. Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:59 PM Scott Toderash scott@100percenthelpdesk.com wrote: iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days.
(And I don't have any kicking around anyway.)
Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc.
There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too.
On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote:
well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
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thanks Adam ... he had been told performance was better .. so - that's what i know ... i dont think the issue is multi-connections. tells me he needs to look at this better to find out the real goods. will see where this ends up going :-)
Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:06 PM Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
Also, unless the PC has >32GB RAM or >4 CPU sockets (not cores), the bit about better using hardware resources is 100% B.S. and is a holdover from the XP days. There are plenty of other reasons to use server instead of workstation licenses, though - the main one that comes to mind is licensing: it's not legal to service more than 4 (???) remote clients from a workstation-licensed system, or something like that. Also, the TCP stack tuning is set for much higher connection counts on server, a workstation OS may start refusing connections much sooner than anticipated.
-Adam
On 2020-03-30 14:01, Dan Keizer wrote:
thanks for the info Scott - as you can tell, I'm not a windows guy, so i dont know their licencing. good to know though. Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:59 PM Scott Toderash < scott@100percenthelpdesk.com> wrote:
iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days.
(And I don't have any kicking around anyway.)
Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc.
There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too.
On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote:
well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
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Also, beware: it can sometimes be cheaper to buy new hardware with a WS OEM license than to up-license an existing system using a retail license. Right now it looks like a retail license of WS2019 Essentials only costs US$500, but there's a whole bunch of gotchas with the Essentials license. I can't find a good, single, reference that captures them all, sorry. Standard is where OEM pricing begins to really be useful.
Anything else requires signing an Open License agreement with an MS reseller. MS does NOT seem to want to make it easy for a medium-sized business to get on board the MS train... tiny-to-small shops is easy, and huge shops reasonably so, but the mid-market as always gets left behind.
-Adam
On 2020-03-30 14:10, Dan Keizer wrote:
thanks Adam ... he had been told performance was better .. so - that's what i know ... i dont think the issue is multi-connections. tells me he needs to look at this better to find out the real goods. will see where this ends up going :-)
Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:06 PM Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
Also, unless the PC has >32GB RAM or >4 CPU sockets (not cores), the bit about better using hardware resources is 100% B.S. and is a holdover from the XP days. There are plenty of other reasons to use server instead of workstation licenses, though - the main one that comes to mind is licensing: it's not legal to service more than 4 (???) remote clients from a workstation-licensed system, or something like that. Also, the TCP stack tuning is set for much higher connection counts on server, a workstation OS may start refusing connections much sooner than anticipated.
-Adam
On 2020-03-30 14:01, Dan Keizer wrote: thanks for the info Scott - as you can tell, I'm not a windows guy, so i dont know their licencing. good to know though. Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:59 PM Scott Toderash scott@100percenthelpdesk.com wrote: iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days.
(And I don't have any kicking around anyway.)
Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc.
There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too.
On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote:
well, first off this is not for me (honest!) ..
a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port)
the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ...
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
thanks.
Dan.
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Whatever you do, don't forget that activation and licensing are different things. You can have a machine that's activated yet fails an audit, and that'll give you - or your client - a nasty headache.
It's common to find some sites selling keys that would activate the server and work no problem, yet if the client ever gets audited... well...
Be careful!
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On 2020-03-30 2:24 p.m., Adam Thompson wrote:
Also, beware: it can sometimes be cheaper to buy new hardware with a WS OEM license than to up-license an existing system using a retail license. Right now it looks like a retail license of WS2019 Essentials only costs US$500, but there's a whole bunch of gotchas with the Essentials license. I can't find a good, single, reference that captures them all, sorry. Standard is where OEM pricing begins to really be useful.
Anything else requires signing an Open License agreement with an MS reseller. MS does NOT seem to want to make it easy for a medium-sized business to get on board the MS train... tiny-to-small shops is easy, and huge shops reasonably so, but the mid-market as always gets left behind.
-Adam
On 2020-03-30 14:10, Dan Keizer wrote:
thanks Adam ... he had been told performance was better .. so - that's what i know ... i dont think the issue is multi-connections. tells me he needs to look at this better to find out the real goods. will see where this ends up going :-) Dan.
On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 2:06 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Also, unless the PC has >32GB RAM or >4 CPU sockets (not cores), the bit about better using hardware resources is 100% B.S. and is a holdover from the XP days. There are plenty of other reasons to use server instead of workstation licenses, though - the main one that comes to mind is licensing: it's not legal to service more than 4 (???) remote clients from a workstation-licensed system, or something like that. Also, the TCP stack tuning is set for much higher connection counts on server, a workstation OS may start refusing connections much sooner than anticipated. -Adam On 2020-03-30 14:01, Dan Keizer wrote: thanks for the info Scott - as you can tell, I'm not a windows guy, so i dont know their licencing. good to know though. Dan. On Mon, Mar 30, 2020 at 1:59 PM Scott Toderash <scott@100percenthelpdesk.com <mailto:scott@100percenthelpdesk.com>> wrote: iirc that's technically not allowed because MS does not let you transfer licenses to another machine, since sometime around XP days. (And I don't have any kicking around anyway.) Which is why, of course we all like GPL etc. There is the monthly option if you sign up for SPLA but it's likely not worth it for just 1 machine since the minimum is around $150/month. But then you could get other licenses for other things too. On 2020-03-30 1:48 p.m., Dan Keizer wrote: well, first off this is not for me (honest!) .. a guy I know is looking to run a windows server licence for some specific software vertical he is looking at ... (i asked - they dont have a linux port) the company (no idea who it is) claims the software works best on server licence as it utilizes the hardware better ... he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well.... thanks. Dan. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca <mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca> https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca <mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca> https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
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On 2020-03-30 Alberto Abrao wrote:
Whatever you do, don't forget that activation and licensing are different things. You can have a machine that's activated yet fails an audit, and that'll give you - or your client - a nasty headache.
MS will never audit a tiny company who isn't registered with them for volume licensing. As long as you make a best effort to be legit (i.e. buying a legit unused server with legit Server licenses and CALs), you'll be fine.
It's common to find some sites selling keys that would activate the server and work no problem, yet if the client ever gets audited... well...
Yes, the worst thing you can do is pay online for pirated or shady licenses. I would only buy physical boxes/license COAs from real Canadian companies, never digital-only stuff from online-only fly by nighters.
On 2020-03-30 Dan Keizer wrote:
he's looking at trying to save money on the licence, so does anyone have 2016 or 2008 server licences on dead machines that can be repurposed? wondering if the likes of MER may as well....
What you could do is look for ancient machines that have the MS Server license and CALs already. You could then try to revive the box and make it useful, or attempt to do a fresh install and reuse the licenses on the newer box. They may transfer over and activate. 50/50 chance, maybe with some hoops. Just say your old box died and you had to replace the mobo.
Adam is correct: you'll need an OEM licensed box and most corps use the corp volume licensing, which is of no use to you. Smaller businesses will be the ones possibly selling old OEM licensed boxes. No big corp will have them.
I've looked extensively in the past at whether it's "real" that you need Win Server or whether Win X Pro will be good enough. It looks like the only thing they artificially limit on non-Server is the simultaneous SMB connections. They always talk about limiting TCP connections but I've never actually run into that, even with offices with 10-20 boxes. So what I do is I usually setup an office with Linux as the SMB server and use Win Server just for the custom app and maybe domain control and GP's.
YMMV. Happy hunting.
P.S. I hate Windows and its artificial limitations and punishing legit paying customers.
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