This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
Kevin
Yes! It’s an artifact of how sub-pixel aliasing works – recall that Red is one of the primary pixels available, and usually the left-most or top-most one, so that imposes some limitation on what can be done to anti-alias red-on-black text. To the best of my knowledge, the only way to “improve” this is to turn off ClearType. Start->”Cleartype”->run the Cleartype Text Tuner, and turn it on/off. I find ClearType worthwhile despite the red/purple-on-dark problem, but I know others here vehemently dislike sub-pixel aliasing! It’s very much a personal-choice thing, it depends on your eyes and your brain. If you deal with a lot of red-on-black text, I think your only options are to ditch sub-pixel rendering, increase the font size, or change the color. (All the examples you showed can, I think, have their color changed.) -Adam
From: Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca On Behalf Of Kevin McGregor Sent: Monday, April 3, 2023 3:57 PM To: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca Subject: [RndTbl] Fwd: Samples of red text on black background
This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
Kevin
You're all probably confused, since the images I sent are all readable. <eyeroll emoji> They are to me, too.
So I played around with a bunch of things, desperate to make my big monitor useful, and I seem to have it working properly now.
I don't know exactly what fixed it with 100% confidence, but it looks like it works fine if I set the refresh rate to 30 Hz, but at anything higher (50/59.97/60 Hz) some text becomes unreadable.
I'll call that a win.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 3:56 PM Kevin McGregor kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com wrote:
This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
Kevin
You're saying the sample images you sent are not representative of what you were asking about? Uh, OK... Perhaps photos would have been more useful, then. Anyway, it's working now.
Unless you're a hardcore gamer, it's unlikely you'll ever notice the difference between 30 and 60Hz - enjoy your now-readable monitor! ;-)
-Adam
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca on behalf of Kevin McGregor kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 10:21:50 PM To: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Samples of red text on black background
You're all probably confused, since the images I sent are all readable. <eyeroll emoji> They are to me, too.
So I played around with a bunch of things, desperate to make my big monitor useful, and I seem to have it working properly now.
I don't know exactly what fixed it with 100% confidence, but it looks like it works fine if I set the refresh rate to 30 Hz, but at anything higher (50/59.97/60 Hz) some text becomes unreadable.
I'll call that a win.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 3:56 PM Kevin McGregor <kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.commailto:kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com> wrote: This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
Kevin
I foolishly assumed the screenshots I took would reflect what I was seeing, and I sent them without reviewing them. I suspect if I'd used an SLR and adjusted the shutter speed correctly the effect would have been apparent. I might try that if I feel motivated this weekend.
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
You're saying the sample images you sent are not representative of what you were asking about? Uh, OK... Perhaps photos would have been more useful, then. Anyway, it's working now.
Unless you're a hardcore gamer, it's unlikely you'll ever notice the difference between 30 and 60Hz - enjoy your now-readable monitor! ;-)
-Adam
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*From:* Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca on behalf of Kevin McGregor kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com *Sent:* Friday, April 7, 2023 10:21:50 PM *To:* Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca *Subject:* Re: [RndTbl] Samples of red text on black background
You're all probably confused, since the images I sent are all readable. <eyeroll emoji> They are to me, too.
So I played around with a bunch of things, desperate to make my big monitor useful, and I seem to have it working properly now.
I don't know exactly what fixed it with 100% confidence, but it looks like it works fine if I set the refresh rate to 30 Hz, but at anything higher (50/59.97/60 Hz) some text becomes unreadable.
I'll call that a win.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 3:56 PM Kevin McGregor kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com wrote:
This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
Kevin
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I am somewhat curious... but not curious enough to drive across town to help you photograph the effect! Most likely it was just your monitor not quite liking the video signal. Why? <Shrug>
-Adam
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: Roundtable roundtable-bounces@muug.ca on behalf of Kevin McGregor kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com Sent: Saturday, April 8, 2023 12:54:23 PM To: Continuation of Round Table discussion roundtable@muug.ca Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Samples of red text on black background
I foolishly assumed the screenshots I took would reflect what I was seeing, and I sent them without reviewing them. I suspect if I'd used an SLR and adjusted the shutter speed correctly the effect would have been apparent. I might try that if I feel motivated this weekend.
On Sat, Apr 8, 2023 at 9:36 AM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.netmailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote: You're saying the sample images you sent are not representative of what you were asking about? Uh, OK... Perhaps photos would have been more useful, then. Anyway, it's working now.
Unless you're a hardcore gamer, it's unlikely you'll ever notice the difference between 30 and 60Hz - enjoy your now-readable monitor! ;-)
-Adam
Get Outlook for Androidhttps://aka.ms/AAb9ysg ________________________________ From: Roundtable <roundtable-bounces@muug.camailto:roundtable-bounces@muug.ca> on behalf of Kevin McGregor <kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.commailto:kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com> Sent: Friday, April 7, 2023 10:21:50 PM To: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable@muug.camailto:roundtable@muug.ca> Subject: Re: [RndTbl] Samples of red text on black background
You're all probably confused, since the images I sent are all readable. <eyeroll emoji> They are to me, too.
So I played around with a bunch of things, desperate to make my big monitor useful, and I seem to have it working properly now.
I don't know exactly what fixed it with 100% confidence, but it looks like it works fine if I set the refresh rate to 30 Hz, but at anything higher (50/59.97/60 Hz) some text becomes unreadable.
I'll call that a win.
On Mon, Apr 3, 2023 at 3:56 PM Kevin McGregor <kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.commailto:kevin.a.mcgregor@gmail.com> wrote: This is off-topic, but has anyone seen this sort of thing in Windows 10? Red and purple text on a dark or black background renders poorly, but other colours look clearly defined. The MS Code sample has a lighter gray background, so isn't affected...?
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On 2023-04-08 Kevin McGregor wrote:
I foolishly assumed the screenshots I took would reflect what I was seeing, and I sent them without reviewing them. I suspect if I'd used an SLR and adjusted the shutter speed correctly the effect would have been apparent. I might try that if I feel motivated this weekend.
Uh, you guys are saying that the anti-aliasing / sub-pixel hoohaa / <insert more techie terms here> is doing something non-static, i.e. it varies over time on a static page/screen?
Like flickering a pixel component on a 10,20,30,40,50,whatever Hz basis to cause some visual affect on the font that is supposed to be appealing?
Man, I thought the crap tech Microsoft was using in WinXP was bad enough. If it's doing something that inherently "flickers" then I think I'd actually go insane.
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