Re: [RndTbl] Mac as a web server

Hi!

I don't know if this is much of a help, but you can easily run Linux on a G4 Mac. I'm running it as a personal server at home on an ancient G4 laptop. Debian in particular is particularly apathetic to CPUs, you just put in the CD and install as if it were any other kind of computer, which is why I use it on my PowerPC "personal server" machines... well, also because Debian simply kicks a$$.

http://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/5.0.6/powerpc/iso-cd/debian-506-powerpc-...

Sorry if this is just ignoring everything you're trying to do, but I figured it was worth a mention. :) - I'm afraid you'll always have problems running the most recent versions of PHP/Apache/MySQL on a PowerPC Mac OS X installation unless you compile them from source, but I'm not sure how problematic that would be on Mac OS X in general. Apple tends to fiddle around a lot with the environment and GCC, often resulting in broken compilations from source, so I'm guessing you're up for a lot of long-term problems sticking to Mac OS 10.4.

Long story short, if losing Mac OS X is indeed an option, Debian is definitely the way to go with a PowerPC machine.

Hope it helps and apologies if it doesn't. ;)

Kind regards, Helgi Hrafn Gunnarsson helgi@binary.is

On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Mike Pfaiffer high.res.mike@gmail.comwrote:

   This is just something to keep me occupied for a while. It isn't

anything serious (yet).

   As I said at this months meeting I have a spare G4 server sitting

around. Last month I was playing around with the current Ubuntu server. I found some applications which should work as long as the revision level of the software is fine. Which is to say they worked with Ubuntu server but whine and complain about the default revisions on the G4 (OS X 10.4 desktop). It really shouldn't be too difficult to set things up on a Mac...

   Here is what I've done so far.

   After a couple of days of reading on the web I found people are

suggesting upgrading to 10.5 (out of the question), or updating the software to something close to current. The suggestions are Apache 2.x, MySQL 5.x, and PHP 5.x would be good things to install. The defaults are Apache 1.3, and PHP 4.x. I don't know if MySQL is installed. Oh, and it was suggested Webmin would be good for playing around on a small scale.

   I tried installing the individual components separately based on

what they suggested on the product web sites and had mixed success. Although PHP was in the 5.x range it wasn't near current. Apache 2.x installed but the built in 1.3 wouldn't let it run properly. MySQL just whined.

   Following some suggestions from the net I looked at a series of

programs called MAMP and found the installation to be very easy. All the software it installed was relatively up to date. Everything ran well with a major show stopper. Connecting locally was fine but connecting through the LAN defaulted back to the old software versions. It seems MAMP and another series of programs called XAMPP only want to be run locally as a development environment.

   There was one web page I found about 20 minutes ago which suggested

using Mac Ports to update the software. After getting into the page a little there was a hint I wouldn't have much more in the way of success if I went that route.

   Oh, I also made sure Personal Web Sharing was turned off in the

System Preferences.

   Now for the request for some advice...

   If I were running an Intel Mac I would just install a virtual

machine with Ubuntu server or something similar and be done with it. Unfortunately the G4 is a PPC and not an Intel box.

   Does anybody have any advice on where to proceed from here? The Mac

Ports idea might be worth a look if I can somehow point the default server away from Apache 1.3 to 2.x. Running MAMP may have some merit since I can change the default port to 80. Unfortunately Webmin wants to run on a different port and defaults back to Apache 1.3. I could install *BSD but I think that's a little more involved than I want to get at this point.

   Like the problem I was having with PHP last year, it's probably a 10

second fix. The problem is where to apply the fix. ;-)

                           Later
                           Mike

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