Roundtable September 2002

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16 participants
21 discussions

ntp log file rotation
by Brock Wolfe 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

I just configured ntp on a few RH linux hosts and everything appears to be working. To complete the installation I want to rotate the ntp logfile /var/log/ntp. I have looked at a few references and there seems to be disagreement on the best approach: ALTERNATIVE #1: use logrotate with file in /etc/logrotate.d (see code snip below) ALTERNATIVE #2: use ntp.conf "monitor" command "filegen" Are there any suggestions for ntp log file rotations ? FILE: /etc/ntp.conf .... logfile /var/log/ntp ------- [EOF] FILE: /etc/logrotate.d/ntp /var/log/ntp { daily rotate 7 notifempty # ntpd doesn't handle SIGHUP properly copytruncate } [EOF] Brock Wolfe ___________________________________________________________ "The problem is not that there are problems. The problem is expecting otherwise and thinking that having problems is a problem." - Theodore Rubin __________________________________________________________

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the at command
by millward 17 Sep '02

17 Sep '02

I can't get the at command to work. I've tried all kinds of stuff and either it can't find the file, or creates a job in the at que, and then fails to run it. For example: at 2:10pm today < /usr/my_c/showenv showenv is entered as a job in the at que, but never runs. The que is empty after 2:10pm. at -f /my_c/curs/hello 2:10pm today Again, its entered as a job, but when execution time comes all I get is an error message saying it couldn't find the file. Both hello and showenv are C executable programs with root permissions. I'm executing at as root on the command line. I've also tried a simple script called ruff. #!/bin/sh ehco "Hello. This is a Test." I gave ruff chmod 777 ruff Tried to get at to run ruff with at -f /usr/my_c/ruff 3:15pm today It was placed in the at que. I saw it as job 5 using atq. But when the time came, nothing happened and the que emptied. Could someone tell me what I'm doing wrong?

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pine 4.44
by Mel Seder 16 Sep '02

16 Sep '02

My configuration includes the following personal-name=melseder user-domain=yahoo.com I sent a test message to myself (melseder(a)yahoo.com) from within pine. I got the message ok but the from read mel(a)yahoo.com instead of what I wanted which was melseder(a)yahoo.com. Is the personal-name (melseder) and my login (mel) getting mixed up? What can I do to have the from shown as melseder(a)yahoo.com when someone receives pine/sendmail from me? ===== "The sooner you make five thousand mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them." - Kimon Nicolaides __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

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dynamic dns
by Dan Keizer 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

ok ... what are people using for dynamic dns providers these days? any local/cdn entries? or what ones are reliable/cheap/free services?? Dan.

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startx
by Mel Seder 13 Sep '02

13 Sep '02

The September 2002 Linux Journal (page 26) showed how to tar -xzvf ... su make install a new Window Manager (IceWM). The instructions end with "create a .xinitrc file containing the line exec icewm, and then type startx". When I type startx I get the following ============================================== Fatal server error: Server is already active for display 0 If this server is no longer running, remove /tmp/.X0-lock and start again. When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send the full server output, not just the last messages. Please report problems to xfree86(a)xfree86.org. xinit: unexpected signal 2. ============================================= I suspect I have to be in the NON GUI mode. I'd like to be able to get to a NON GUI mode so I can start my x server. I'll just be playing with the new Window Manager and have opened up a scratch account to do my playing in. How do I get startx to fire up the x server? ===== "The sooner you make five thousand mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them." - Kimon Nicolaides __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! News - Today's headlines http://news.yahoo.com

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Re: [TLUG]: ipchicken.com and access by an outside PC
by Mel Seder 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

telnet 192.168.0.254 333 returned the following message; " Unable to connect to remote host: No route to host". So I opened up the User's Guide and page 27 showed "telnet 192.168.0.1 333". I tried that one and was cheerfully greeted with a password prompt which I responded to by pressing the enter key. The heading for the section that the "telnet 192.168.0.1 333" was in was titled changing passwords and I didn't want to muck anything so I typed "quit" at the prompt and exited. Perhaps I could have explored a bit but the chicken in me took over and I didn't go poking around. I began to wonder if I might be better off in the long run to get a new broadband router. I saw one on futureshop.ca that was a D-Link 4 Port 10/100BT Broadband Router for $139.99. The set up I have now is a router and a hub. There are possibly other benefits than making my workspace a little cleaner and more compact but I don't know what they are. The spec sheet on the broadband router mentioned linux support. I don't know what linux support might have meant but I suspect that it was a program to let you get at the router settings for allowing outsiders to get at my PC by allowing traffic on certain ports. I use Shaw Internet as my ISP and way back (maybe four or five years ago) when I got my router a friend who set it up for me poked a "computer/server name?" into the router and since then I've been on the net. Prior to getting the router I was connected to the net until Shaw switched to assigning dynamic IP addresses. My friend said to get a router and that solved the problem for me. By the way I have two dula boot computers, one upstairs and one downstairs thats the reason for the HUB. IIRC from reading posts to the lists Shaw no longer needs that "computer/server name" to be put in the router. Watching my friend hook up the router I observed that it was a painless procedure. Hook up the cable modem to the router and then plug in the cables from the PC's into the HUB. Words like lease and MAC addresses stick in my mind and I was wondering if I will be presented with problems if and when I try replace my current router and hub with a single Broadband Router & Hub combination. I'm not very comfortable with networking as you can probably tell :-) Any comments on any of the above will be welcomed. Comments anyone? --- Keith Mastin <kmastin(a)beechtree.ca> wrote: > >I have a D-Link DI-701 router. > >Does anyone know if I can http://192.168.0.1 to it? > I got the manual in less than 2 minutes... > > Page 16 > telnet 192.168.0.254 333 > -- > Keith Mastin BeechTree Information Technology Services Inc. > 137 Laird Drive Toronto M4G 3V5 http://www.beechtree.ca > (416)696-6070 Fax(416)696-6072 kmastin(a)beechtree.ca > > -- > The Toronto Linux Users Group. Meetings: http://tlug.ss.org > TLUG requests: Linux topics, No HTML, wrap text below 80 columns > How to UNSUBSCRIBE: http://tlug.ss.org/subscribe.shtml ===== "The sooner you make five thousand mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them." - Kimon Nicolaides __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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ipchicken.com and access by an outside PC
by Mel Seder 07 Sep '02

07 Sep '02

I'm running Red Hat 7.3 (KDE) behind a firewall (a lan fed by a router). I'd like to be able to SSH into my computer from the outside world and wonder what needs to done to get at my machine. When I installed 7.3 I chose the NO firewall option. IPChicken displayed my IP address as it is known to the outside world and Leo Laporte of the Screen Savers TV show on Tech TV mentioned something about DMZ for people behind a firewall. I don't know what he was referring to. Would someone please enlighten me :-) ===== "The sooner you make five thousand mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them." - Kimon Nicolaides __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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link to "Revolution OS" - a GNU/Linux movie clip
by Mel Seder 04 Sep '02

04 Sep '02

http://www.ifilm.com/ifilm/product/film_multimedia/0,4470,2419320,00.html ===== "The sooner you make five thousand mistakes, the sooner you will be able to correct them." - Kimon Nicolaides __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Finance - Get real-time stock quotes http://finance.yahoo.com

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MUUG Meeting, Sept 10, 7:30PM -- Network Traffic Monitoring
by gedetil＠cs.umanitoba.ca 03 Sep '02

03 Sep '02

[Posted to man.unix.general and other news groups...] ------ Forwarded Article <al2r7b$8ic$2(a)canopus.cc.umanitoba.ca> ------ From gedetil(a)cs.umanitoba.ca (Gilbert E. Detillieux) The Manitoba UNIX User Group (MUUG) will be holding its next monthly meeting on Tuesday, September 10. The meeting topic for this month is as follows: Network Traffic Monitoring with MRTG and SNMP At the January 9, 2001, meeting on Network Load Tuning, Gilbert Detillieux took us through some of the load and usage monitoring utilities that are available for UNIX, such as MRTG (available online), among others. However, the coverage of MRTG was rather brief, and didn't include any information on how to set it up. In this month's "Mini-HowTo" presentation, Gilbert will take us through MRTG in more detail, including how to set up a configuration file to monitor a network interface, and some of the configuration options that can be used to tune the output. The presentation will also briefly cover setting up SNMP under Linux, so that MRTG can get interface statistics from it, plus (time permitting) some tips on how to secure that setup. The meeting will also include our usual round-table discussion, plus some preliminary discussion on the proposed by-law amendments and the call for nominations for the MUUG board. The group holds its general meetings at 7:30 PM on the second Tuesday of every month from September to June. (There are no meetings in July and August.) Meetings are open to the general public; you don't have to be a MUUG member to attend. ********************************************************************** Please note our new meeting location: The IBM offices, at 400 Ellice Ave. (between Edmonton and Kennedy). When you arrive, you will have to sign in at the reception desk, and then wait for someone to take you (in groups) to the meeting room. Please try to arrive by about 7:15 PM, so the meeting can start promptly at 7:30 PM. Don't be late, or you may not get in. Limited parking is available for free on the street, or in a lot across Ellice from IBM, for $1.00 for the evening. Indoor parking is also available nearby, at Portage Place, for $2.00 for the evening. ********************************************************************** For more information about MUUG, and its monthly meetings, check out their Web server: http://www.muug.mb.ca/ Also note that MUUG maintains two mailing lists, called "muug-announce" and "roundtable". If you're not already on these lists, we encourage you to subscribe now: http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/ The "muug-announce" list is used for monthly meeting announcements (such as this one) as well as other important announcements of interest to MUUG members. The "rountable" list is meant to be a forum for follow-ups to topics discussed at the meetings, or for round-table-style discussion on other topics that come up between meetings. Of course, for this to be effective, we need to reach a certain critical mass. So, please subscribe, and stay involved! -- Gilbert E. Detillieux E-mail: <gedetil(a)muug.mb.ca> Manitoba UNIX User Group Web: http://www.muug.mb.ca/ P.O. Box 130, St-Boniface Phone: (204)474-8161 Winnipeg, MB, CANADA R2H 3B4 Fax: (204)474-7609 ------ End of Forwarded Article

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CLUE announcement
by bill traynor 02 Sep '02

02 Sep '02

See http://www.linux.ca for the News item regarding this email or to read the online version, goto http://linux.ca/library/01092002.shtml ========= In co-operation with the Canadian Linux User's Exchange existing executive, I have carefully considered all the comments made to the admin(a)linux.ca mailing list over the last month, engaged in countless personal conversations and hours of research, and am proposing what I believe to be the best approach to a CLUE restructure and rebirth. Here are the results of this work: 1. Revision of By-Laws Please see http://www.linux.ca/library/bylaws.shtml for the complete By-Laws document. I've highlighted a few changes here: "Purpose" The goal of the Canadian Linux Users' Exchange is to increase the use and appreciation in Canada of what is known as the Linux computer operating system and Open Source Software, by enhancing association and communication amongst its developers, users, suppliers, and the general public. [NOTE: The purpose of CLUE was left more or less the same as it was originally conceived. The only addition being the inclusion of Open Source Software to the Purpose statement.} "Membership" Members of the foundation shall be the respective applicants for the incorporation of the foundation until their resignations have been accepted, and such other qualified persons as shall be elected as members from time to time by a majority of the votes cast by the members present or represented by proxy at any duly constituted meeting of the members [NOTE: The membership section has been completely revised. Please be aware that the "official" members of CLUE as described in the by-laws are simply the executive. The by-laws no longer describe a formal membership, either individual or associate. This revision is based on the adoption of the "Foundation" model of operation. The "Foundation" model provides the most open method of organizing CLUE, allowing us to operate in the most flexible manner possible]. "Board of Directors" The property and business of the Corporation shall be managed by a board of ten directors of whom six shall constitute a quorum. This board shall consist of the Corporation's officers, which are to comprise: - A President - A Treasurer - A Secretary In addition to said officers, the Board will comprise seven "at-large" directors. [NOTE: We've eliminated the formal roles of 1st VP, 2nd VP, and Immediate past President from the By-Laws. This does not mean that these roles will never exist, it just means that legally, CLUE as an organization does not need them to function. As legally required, the only positions required are those that have been described here]. [NOTE THAT FOR ADDITIONAL BY-LAW REVISIONS, PLEASE SEE THE OFFICIAL BY-LAWS DOCUMENT AT: http://www.linux.ca/library/bylaws.shtml] 2. CLUE's Purpose As determined from the conversation on the admin(a)linux.ca mailing list, the following 7 areas have been identified as having the highest priority for the CLUE community. PLEASE BE AWARE THAT EACH PRIORITY IS LOOSELY DEFINED HERE! A CLUE Director will be expected to take responsibility for at least one priority, whether it is one that is listed here or one that they propose. [NOTE: The following list is in NO particular order. Also, the following is a list of 'obvious' needs. Everyone is welcome to propose additional priorities that they may wish to pursue when they apply for a Director position -see #3 below.] P1. Public Relations/Media relations Includes publication of press releases, marketing communications material, public speaking etc. P2. LUG Relations Includes maintaining contact with all Canadian LUGs. Will include definition and coordination of LUG benefit packages. P3. Linux.ca Domain utilization Includes webmaster responsibility for the linux.ca domain. Will include redesign of the website to better accomplish CLUE's goals. P4. Fund Raising Includes promotion of the Foundation funding model, i.e. The "buy a brick in our new building" model. Basically, anyone, individual or corporate can donate to CLUE and receive a designated sponsor-level. Details of this model will also be the responsibility of whomever takes on this job. P5. Benefits/SWAG etc. Includes identification or CLUE benefits, i.e. Magazine discounts, free CD's, T-Shirts, etc. P6. Business Development/Corporate Liaison Includes solicitation, development and maintenance of CLUE's corporate and affiliate relationships. This may include association with other non-profits, such as the Linux Professional Institute, Linux International, IEEE, etc. P7. Advocacy/Research Includes the creation of CLUE's advocacy program and identification of research avenues and how CLUE can leverage them. For example, the surveying of CLUE membership on a regular basis in order to provide information to those that would find that information of value. [NOTE: Some of the latter may be official positions/titles, ex. Director of Business Development. Others will not, ex. Benefits/SWAG.] 3. Executive Roles NOTE: APPLICATIONS ARE NOW BEING ACCEPTED FOR ALL EXECUTIVE ROLES INCLUDING ALL 7 REGIONAL DIRECTORS! The by-laws allow for 3 formal roles, President, Secretary and Treasurer and 7 Director roles which must be filled for the organization to legally function. How are we going to fill these roles? I'd like to at this time put out a CALL FOR APPLICATIONS for CLUE executives. Here's how this works: Information should include: Name, E-mail, Position sought, Bio, Desired Area(s) of Responsibility, Supporting Comments. Additionally, you may include: In two pages or less what role you'd like to fill and what you plan to accomplish while in that role. NOTE: The responsibilities for each role are open for you to define. For example, let's say I feel that I'm a very organized, detailed person who likes documentation and communicating with other Linux/OSS enthusiasts outside of my current LUG. In this case, I may offer to fulfill the Secretaries role and include the LUG Relations priority within that role. In my application, I'd describe how I intend to satisfy the organizations LUG Relations Priority, such as a Newsletter, etc. and provide examples (if available) of anything that makes me particularly capable of fulfilling the desired role. Please feel free to define your own role! If you do not feel comfortable in a role that already exists, propose a new role in your application. PLEASE FORWARD ALL APPLICATIONS TO: mailto:btraynor@linux.ca DO NOT POST YOUR APPLICATIONS TO THE MAILING LIST PLEASE!. First call for Submission of applications will conclude on Sunday, September 15th and announcement of the new CLUE executive will follow shortly thereafter. All applications will be considered by the current CLUE executive and myself. Any current CLUE executive who wishes to submit an application for a role, will have to submit in the same manner as everyone else and will not be included in the review of applications of the role they applied for. Thanks, Bill Traynor

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Roundtable September 2002