Hi guys, Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience. To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710. Thanks, Daulton
Hi guys, I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them. Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. --- Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term. They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. --- Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month --- Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. --- Thanks, Daulton On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
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Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available.
---
Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections.
---
Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month
---
Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage
$135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710.
---
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
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Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days. Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk? John On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------ Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------ Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------ Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------ Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
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On 2019-02-15 John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
I'll take a guess, but Daulton can elaborate. How about Spectre and the never-ending stream of lookalikes? I'd also throw in there the fact that many/most sec kernel bugs these days are kvm/virt related. The market is still there. There's a reason RackSpace can charge $500+ month for bare-metal hosting.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
With Wpg internet prices it looks like it's cheaper per month to colo with one of the providers Daulton listed!! Not to mention you'd get more 9's with most decent colo providers than your local shaw or mts line (even "business class").
I guess I'm making the assumption that whatever you would be deploying on a single 1U server in one of Winnipeg's datacenters would not be particularly important and therefore wouldn't need much of what a data centre would offer. Nor would you likely have extreme security concerns. Small VMs in the cloud start around $60/mo though admittedly you would have to add to that to bring it up to the equivalent of a dedicated host. John On Sat, Feb 16, 2019, 2:32 AM Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
On 2019-02-15 John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
I'll take a guess, but Daulton can elaborate. How about Spectre and the never-ending stream of lookalikes? I'd also throw in there the fact that many/most sec kernel bugs these days are kvm/virt related.
The market is still there. There's a reason RackSpace can charge $500+ month for bare-metal hosting.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
With Wpg internet prices it looks like it's cheaper per month to colo with one of the providers Daulton listed!! Not to mention you'd get more 9's with most decent colo providers than your local shaw or mts line (even "business class"). _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
On February 16, 2019 2:31:53 AM CST, Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote:
On 2019-02-15 John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
I'll take a guess, but Daulton can elaborate. How about Spectre and the never-ending stream of lookalikes? I'd also throw in there the fact that many/most sec kernel bugs these days are kvm/virt related.
The market is still there. There's a reason RackSpace can charge $500+ month for bare-metal hosting.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
With Wpg internet prices it looks like it's cheaper per month to colo with one of the providers Daulton listed!! Not to mention you'd get more 9's with most decent colo providers than your local shaw or mts line (even "business class"). _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
I use SoYouStart in Montreal (part of OVH) They supply a dedicated server (xeons with 32GB) for $50 CDN a month. I run Proxmox and multiple vms on it. I had a hard drive failure a few weeks ago, and it didnt take them long to fix it. Gerald -- Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.
I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also. Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately later. Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following: 1) Speed and quality of support. 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the hardware resolves both. For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo. Thanks, Daulton On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
John
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net <mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca <mailto:daulton@tetmail.ca>> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
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When I went colo, I used Joe's Datacenter in Kansas City. They were $50 USD a month for colo. I would have stayed with them, but eventually the conversion to CDN $ was just too much for me. Gerald On 2019-02-16 9:54 p.m., Daulton wrote:
I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also.
Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately later.
Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following:
1) Speed and quality of support. 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the hardware resolves both.
For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo.
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
John
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net <mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca <mailto:daulton@tetmail.ca>> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
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I have a hard time wrapping my head about not being able to service my own hardware. I like to play with it from start to finish, it's part of the fun! Also, the idea of relying on other people to bring it back to life in case something happens drives me nuts. I don't know what Westman (Brandon, MB) offers for colo, if at all, but I am willing to check if you're interested. The place I work for also host servers, but it's in Saskatchewan. I can also check with them if that suits you. Kind regards, Alberto Abrao On 2019-02-16 10:38 p.m., Gerald Brandt wrote:
When I went colo, I used Joe's Datacenter in Kansas City. They were $50 USD a month for colo. I would have stayed with them, but eventually the conversion to CDN $ was just too much for me.
Gerald
On 2019-02-16 9:54 p.m., Daulton wrote:
I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also.
Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately later.
Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following:
1) Speed and quality of support. 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the hardware resolves both.
For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo.
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
John
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net <mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca <mailto:daulton@tetmail.ca>> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
Thanks, Daulton ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Thank you very much! I would appreciate if you checked both. I can send my contact details and power requirements, etc. if you need? On 2/16/19 10:54 PM, Alberto Abrao wrote:
I have a hard time wrapping my head about not being able to service my own hardware. I like to play with it from start to finish, it's part of the fun! Also, the idea of relying on other people to bring it back to life in case something happens drives me nuts.
I don't know what Westman (Brandon, MB) offers for colo, if at all, but I am willing to check if you're interested.
The place I work for also host servers, but it's in Saskatchewan. I can also check with them if that suits you.
Kind regards, Alberto Abrao
On 2019-02-16 10:38 p.m., Gerald Brandt wrote:
When I went colo, I used Joe's Datacenter in Kansas City. They were $50 USD a month for colo. I would have stayed with them, but eventually the conversion to CDN $ was just too much for me.
Gerald
On 2019-02-16 9:54 p.m., Daulton wrote:
I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also.
Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately later.
Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following:
1) Speed and quality of support. 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the hardware resolves both.
For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo.
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
John
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net <mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca <mailto:daulton@tetmail.ca>> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
Thanks, Daulton ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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Absolutely! Just e-mail me as much information as possible. I'll talk to my employer and will also try to reach someone at Westman by next week. Kind regards, Alberto Abrao On 2019-02-16 11:14 p.m., Daulton wrote:
Thank you very much! I would appreciate if you checked both. I can send my contact details and power requirements, etc. if you need?
On 2/16/19 10:54 PM, Alberto Abrao wrote:
I have a hard time wrapping my head about not being able to service my own hardware. I like to play with it from start to finish, it's part of the fun! Also, the idea of relying on other people to bring it back to life in case something happens drives me nuts.
I don't know what Westman (Brandon, MB) offers for colo, if at all, but I am willing to check if you're interested.
The place I work for also host servers, but it's in Saskatchewan. I can also check with them if that suits you.
Kind regards, Alberto Abrao
On 2019-02-16 10:38 p.m., Gerald Brandt wrote:
When I went colo, I used Joe's Datacenter in Kansas City. They were $50 USD a month for colo. I would have stayed with them, but eventually the conversion to CDN $ was just too much for me.
Gerald
On 2019-02-16 9:54 p.m., Daulton wrote:
I need a blend of CPU, memory, and a nice amount of disk space for what I am up too. With vultr, digital ocean, etc, you can get storage but it comes in at $10 per 100 gb. Bump up the memory and amount of vcpu and plus the storage and it gets expensive fast. Same thing applies to the dedicated servers I mention in a minute also.
Secondly while I am sure I can find cloud providers with clean IPs for mail server usage there is a little problem. It seems from my research and tests common cloud providers such as Vultr the IP you can get is clean but there appears to be a silent increase in SCL score for emails sent to Microsoft email (Outlook, 365, hotmail). This is only a hypothesis so far as I have only used Vultr in my tests, I am still looking at this so I can report on that separately later.
Then with dedicated servers the concern is the following:
1) Speed and quality of support. 2) Privacy for what happens to dead drives AND after you are done with the server, the concern being data recoverability. What then if they do not do an actual wipe of the drives before a new customer gets the dedicated server? If you have out of band management of course there are ways around one of the two, but control over the hardware resolves both.
For what I have seen regarding dedicated servers from better providers these concerns go away but with the pricing it appears higher long term versus some of the colos I have been looking at plus my own hardware. All options considered it is looking best to have colocated servers, so that is why I am looking for a reasonable colo.
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/15/19 3:46 PM, John Lange wrote:
Just curious why you are looking to Colo a server vs. a vm in AWS or Azure? Cloud is why it is so hard to find Colo these days.
Or why not just put it on a decent business internet service and put it under your desk?
John
On Fri, Feb 15, 2019, 2:45 PM Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net <mailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote:
Fiber Fortress is winding down and not accepting new customers, according to the owner. Quite a few ISPs are willing to let you place a small 1U rack server, if you already have a business relationship with them. (Have fun with physical access, though.) There's also Global Server Center (a division of The Exchange Group) which is Winnipeg's version of 141 Front St., and does offer 1U collocation. You may have talked to the wrong part of BellMTS, you want MTS Datacenters, don't have contact info right now, sorry. They have their own AS and domain. In general, though, there are a lot fewer options today than 10yrs ago. Mostly because everyone goes virtual, that being "good enough" for 99.999% of applications. -Adam
On February 14, 2019 5:20:40 PM CST, Daulton <daulton@tetmail.ca <mailto:daulton@tetmail.ca>> wrote:
Hi guys,
I wanted to contribute some information, I have researched others for colocation but here are the top contenders so far. I am waiting for quotes for more, so if I find more good options I will send them.
Notably for local companies, Fiber Fortress and Bell MTS did not even bother to respond. Manitoba Hydro Telecom appears to only sell 1/3 cabinets as their lowest size available. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Amanah Location(s): Toronto at 151 Front Street and 1 Yonge Street
Single 1U 1.88″(H) x 24″(W) x 42″(D) 1 Amp 110V 100Mbps / 1Gbps 8 IPs (/29) -5Usable $99 Monthly & $99 Setup on a 12 Month term.
They also have a free vlan for you as well, and have fiber between the data centers and a cross connections. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Nuday Location(s): 231 Amber St. Markham, ON
Features: 1U Space, 2AMP / 120v UPS / Generator Power, 1000 Mbps Up/Down Port, 5 Static Public IP ( /29 ), 3000 GB Data Transfer / Month, $59 / Month ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Company: Les Net Location(s): Winnipeg
Costs: 1U space $30 / month, /29 IP addresses $20 / month, 6 power outlets $30 / month, 100M internet connection $175 / month, Power usage $135/KW
Power usage wise it would cost $62 / month for something like a Dell R710. ------------------------------------------------------------------------
Thanks, Daulton
On 2/6/19 6:39 PM, Daulton wrote:
Hi guys,
Does anyone have any estimates they could give me for the prices for 1U or 2U colocation at any of the cities providers? Whether it be MTS, Les.net, Fiber Fortress, etc. I know I can contact them each for quotes but I am first wondering about your guys experience.
To give an example of power usage it would be something such as a Dell R710.
Thanks, Daulton ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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