If you have no idea what this means, you're either way too old or way too young...
-Adam
Gah! I think I'm somehow both...
On 2011-10-12, at 11:07 PM, Adam Thompson wrote:
If you have no idea what this means, you're either way too old or way too young...
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On 2011-10-13 02:29, Sean Cody wrote:
Gah! I think I'm somehow both...
On 2011-10-12, at 11:07 PM, Adam Thompson wrote:
If you have no idea what this means, you're either way too old or way too young...
-Adam
Ah, you young whipper-snappers don't know how good you had it with xorg.conf. I remember hand-editing ModeLines in XFree86.conf... And that was an improvement over the old days, where you had to edit the Xserver source code!...
I vaguely remember hearing/reading a quote from the late Steve Jobs, way back when NeXT was a new company, where he referred to the X Window system as "incredibly ornate and baroque". I think he gave it way too much credit. ;P
Ah, you young whipper-snappers don't know how good you had it with xorg.conf. I remember hand-editing ModeLines in XFree86.conf... And that was an improvement over the old days, where you had to edit the Xserver source code!...
I never had to edit the source, but I do clearly remember ModeLines. I also remember the devout wishes that this next test please not not not fry my monitor...
I vaguely remember hearing/reading a quote from the late Steve Jobs, way back when NeXT was a new company, where he referred to the X Window system as "incredibly ornate and baroque". I think he gave it way too much credit. ;P
Ah, then you'll enjoy the UNIX Haters Handbook (freely available since 2003 at http://www.simson.net/ref/ugh.pdf).
I agree that not all of X is a... complete success. Having used Display Postscript on two different systems, I'm not sure it was any better than X. Ironically, SunWindows 3 was probably better than either from a design standpoint. Just please don't make me remember DECWindows.
-Adam
On 11-10-13 10:17 AM, Gilbert E. Detillieux wrote:
On 2011-10-13 02:29, Sean Cody wrote:
Gah! I think I'm somehow both...
On 2011-10-12, at 11:07 PM, Adam Thompson wrote:
If you have no idea what this means, you're either way too old or way too young...
-Adam
Ah, you young whipper-snappers don't know how good you had it with xorg.conf. I remember hand-editing ModeLines in XFree86.conf... And that was an improvement over the old days, where you had to edit the Xserver source code!...
I vaguely remember hearing/reading a quote from the late Steve Jobs, way back when NeXT was a new company, where he referred to the X Window system as "incredibly ornate and baroque". I think he gave it way too much credit. ;P
XFree.conf... HAH! I remember hand editing the termcaps and printcaps files. THOSE were an improvement from what I gather.
Later Mike
XFree.conf... HAH! I remember hand editing the termcaps and printcaps files. THOSE were an improvement from what I gather.
N00b. I'm the *author* of (I think) six terminfo/termcap entries, at least two of which still ship with ncurses. :-D
(My DEC VT220, VT320 & VT420 entries were more complete, less buggy, and faster than the official DEC versions, because apparently no-one on the ULTRIX team ever bothered to read the !@#$%^&* reference manual for those terminals. The official versions remain in place, however, because they were, well, official.)
OTOH, I never had to do printcaps.
-Adam
On 11-10-13 11:32 AM, Adam Thompson wrote:
XFree.conf... HAH! I remember hand editing the termcaps and printcaps files. THOSE were an improvement from what I gather.
N00b. I'm the *author* of (I think) six terminfo/termcap entries, at least two of which still ship with ncurses. :-D
(My DEC VT220, VT320& VT420 entries were more complete, less buggy, and faster than the official DEC versions, because apparently no-one on the ULTRIX team ever bothered to read the !@#$%^&* reference manual for those terminals. The official versions remain in place, however, because they were, well, official.)
OTOH, I never had to do printcaps.
-Adam
Like so many projects I was only partially successful with my efforts. I was working on one for the Wyse 50 (the existing one wasn't very complete). At least I managed to get the arrow keys working.
The printcap file I was working on was for the Okidata 92. It never did work properly.
Later Mike
--- Mike Pfaiffer wrote:
I was working on one for the Wyse 50 (the existing one wasn't very complete). At least I managed to get the arrow keys working.
Hey! I remember doing that. The termcap for Wyse 50 was very incomplete, at least for Unix System V. Yea, getting the arrow keys to work was necessary. I also got insert, delete, and tab. Never did get the function keys to work, though.
Rob Dyck
Hey -- *I've* edited ModeLines! Ack! Does that mean I'm elderly? And I thought I was only middle-aged.
On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Gilbert E. Detillieux < gedetil@cs.umanitoba.ca> wrote:
On 2011-10-13 02:29, Sean Cody wrote:
Gah! I think I'm somehow both...
On 2011-10-12, at 11:07 PM, Adam Thompson wrote:
If you have no idea what this means, you're either way too old or way too young...
-Adam
Ah, you young whipper-snappers don't know how good you had it with xorg.conf. I remember hand-editing ModeLines in XFree86.conf... And that was an improvement over the old days, where you had to edit the Xserver source code!...
I vaguely remember hearing/reading a quote from the late Steve Jobs, way back when NeXT was a new company, where he referred to the X Window system as "incredibly ornate and baroque". I think he gave it way too much credit. ;P
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Probably not.
I've spent way too much of my life fighting with text mode xf86config and wishing my modeline changes would both correct overscan and alignment issues while simultaneously wishing my CRT didn't explode. After swearing profusely at the only 'free' motif API I could find I just gave up on X and only launched it for Netscape and eventually ethereal. Man time to wax poetic about the absurdity of XP and xsetroot!
One time... A minor modeling change caused my old 15" CRT to make a terrifying squeal tone that I never want to hear again. The closest I've ever come to a duck and cover moment. This was the same monitor that would go purple every so often and was corrected by a good whack on the right side of the display.
Then again I'm starting to feel middle aged. ;)
Y'know, if I *wanted* to resurrect alt.folklore.computers (as it existed in the "good old days") in this mailing list, I don't think I could have found a better way! Am I the only one that thinks we sound like a group of old vets sitting in their rocking chairs at the (stereotypical) old folks' home? -Adam
On 11-10-13 11:51 AM, Adam Thompson wrote:
Y'know, if I *wanted* to resurrect alt.folklore.computers (as it existed in the "good old days") in this mailing list, I don't think I could have found a better way! Am I the only one that thinks we sound like a group of old vets sitting in their rocking chairs at the (stereotypical) old folks' home? -Adam
Well, we haven't heard from the /real/ old timers yet. ;-)
Later Mike
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