On 2024-08-27 Rob Dyck wrote:

Thank you. The Ignite TV app refuses to close after opening, it continues to run in the background. I noticed that the first time I used it. Have to force-stop after every use. I don't know what the "hamburger" option is, or the "3-Option Android nav menu".

At the bottom of most Android screens (though it is customizable) is the back arrow nav button, the "home" circle button, and the 3-vertical lines "what apps are open" button... The "hamburger" one is the 3 lines, though I didn't realize it was vertical lines, so therefore it's not really a hamburger icon! So call it a hamburger someone has propped up on its side :-)

So once you force-stopped Ignite, did your battery problem go away?

On 2024-08-28 Rob Dyck wrote:

I have a triangle, circle, and square.

That just means your Android is either fairly newer or older than mine, but they do the same function regardless of icon.

The square shows all running apps, not background.

Technically all apps in Android not currently focused are "in the background". But I know what you mean, you're talking about "service" type programs which run without any UI attached.

Yes, one of those could be your problem, though let's hope not because they may be harder to figure out.

It lists "Recently opened apps". I selected Ignite and "FORCE STOP". It's the only app refuses have to do that with. There is no setting in Ignite to tell it not to remain after close.

You could do a simple test to eliminate Ignite as the culprit by just uninstalling it and seeing if the problem goes away. Yes, drastic, but it might be the only way to be sure.

You should find the battery report by app page that is on every recent Android. It was a real pain to find it on mine as they seem to have moved it around and you still have to drill down a fair ways to get to it. I eventually found it in Device Care - Battery & scroll down and you'll see graphs (maybe) and a list of apps. Each app will tell you the % of battery it used up. I'm really curious what your list looks like.

If something seems abnormal there, that might be your problem. However, I don't think "services" are listed there, only actual "apps"... so if something is running like a service you may still not be able to figure out what is to blame.

Also, I will add that if your phone is older (4+ years), lithium batteries will start to degrade and hold less charge and die faster. Though you usually wouldn't get a heat increase like you described.

Last thing I can think of: restart Android completely with the power button & reboot. I have had the same thing happen before and a reboot solved it completely. Maybe happens once a year? The heat thing is the big tip off. Something in the system just gets messed up and eats up cycles, causing your symptoms.

Those two screenshots are quite revealing. Your Gmail is quite greedy, and itself would exhaust your battery in about 7 hours (unusual for Gmail). Your Firefox is similar, but hey, a whole browser does a lot more. As I think Trevor may have suggested, this (the Gmail especially) points to a deteriorating battery that simply holds a lot less charge than originally. Remember, 100% means the intelligent circuits deem it to be fully charged to its current capacity, not its original capacity.

BTW, don't you like having the battery percentage showing all the time on the top line of the phone? The first screenshot shows that option turned off.

Hartmut

On Wed 28 Aug 2024 at 11:53:02 -05:00, Rob Dyck rbdyck2@shaw.ca wrote:

My phone is an Essential PH-1 with Android 10. Ah... I did look at Settings - Battery, but there is no "Device care". However, looking more closely at Battery there is those 3 dots at the top beside battery. That gave me Battery usage. Thank you.

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The square that shows all running apps became a vertical hamburger in recent Android versions. I hate those endless icon updates, usually to something less intuitive than before. The gallery icon became a huge asterisk (or is that a stylized flower?), and the distinct camera icon became something that looks like a kid's rubber toy.

The triangle (points to the left?) is an "improved" backarrow.

Hartmut

On Wed 28 Aug 2024 at 00:48:50 -05:00, Rob Dyck rbdyck2@shaw.ca wrote:

I have a triangle, circle, and square. The square shows all running apps