Huh??? I am stunned! And, it's "as of today". No prior notice? What happened there so suddenly?
I am also somewhat confused by the alternative ways of buying O'Reilly books. I don't know what this Safari thing is all about for buying books - I thought Safari is an alternate browser.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: O'Reilly Media oreilly@post.oreilly.com Date: 28 June 2017 at 17:57 Subject: Changes to the O'Reilly shop To: hwsager@marityme.net
[image: And important things about your O'Reilly account] Hartmut W, Things are changing at the O'Reilly online shop—as of today, we are no longer selling individual books and videos via shop.oreilly.com http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zgfkjioneh7iokn0pr9j4vufbndd548d8vlvbg38. Of course, we'll continue to publish books and videos on the topics you need to know, like data science, product management, and leadership—and you'll still be able to buy them at Amazon and other retailers. And these important things about your O'Reilly account are staying exactly the same:
- You'll still have access to every ebook and video listed in "Your Products" on your O'Reilly account page. - We'll alert you when those products are updated, and you can download the revised version from the "Your Products" page. - You can still send the O'Reilly ebooks you've purchased to Dropbox and/or Google Drive.
Of course, *every O'Reilly book and video (including O'Reilly conference sessions) is available instantly on Safari*, plus: "Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture
- *thousands more* from other great publishers like Packt, Pearson, and Wiley - *early access* to upcoming O'Reilly books - *training* in TensorFlow, Python, JavaScript, and more—delivered live, online, by real experts in real time, and only available on Safari - *on-demand Learning Paths* on data science, people management, design thinking, etc.
"Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture If you like Spotify and Netflix, you'll love Safari (1.8 million people already do)! And for the cost of seven books a year, you'll have access to the *entire* O'Reilly catalog. *Sign up for an annual membership today—for one week only, we'll throw in a $100 Amazon gift card* to spend on whatever you want. And Safari membership has a 14-day money-back guarantee, so what do you have to lose? GET STARTED WITH SAFARI http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1znvuii7aq6st99cl687k3p8bldslk2qj3npnl36o O'Reilly reserves the right to cancel fulfillment of this promotion in the event of a participant's apparent fraud, violation of law, or cancellation of membership. Void where prohibited. Gift card will be issued via email after 30 days' continuous membership. This offer is not transferable and does not apply to current Safari members, multi-user, or enterprise accounts. Offer applies to annual memberships for individual subscribers only. Offer expires July 6, 2017.
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ORA (O'Reilly & Associates) Safari is their online eBook all-you-can-read subscription service which includes every ORA book and quite a lot of others as well. I believe it predates the Apple Safari browser.
Safari subscriptions are obviously healthy enough, and individual book sales weak enough, that they figure it's not worth maintaining a retail storefront anymore.
Although there's no mention that I saw either way, I would assume you can continue to purchase ORA books like every other book, though booksellers (including Amazon, of course).
Based on what I've heard from other publishers, Amazon - which likely represents the bulk of their print sales nowadays - punishes publishers who compete directly with Amazon, especially those that discount their books even further. ORA didn't discount further, but did offer the eBook with the print edition.
So they decided to go back to their roots as a publisher, plus a subscription service. It's their right to change things. Although I do wish *something* would stay the same these days. Something good, I mean - government incompetence and inefficiency seems to be a constant even though I wish that would change!
-Adam
On June 28, 2017 7:22:21 PM CDT, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote:
Huh??? I am stunned! And, it's "as of today". No prior notice? What happened there so suddenly?
I am also somewhat confused by the alternative ways of buying O'Reilly books. I don't know what this Safari thing is all about for buying books - I thought Safari is an alternate browser.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: O'Reilly Media oreilly@post.oreilly.com Date: 28 June 2017 at 17:57 Subject: Changes to the O'Reilly shop To: hwsager@marityme.net
[image: And important things about your O'Reilly account] Hartmut W, Things are changing at the O'Reilly online shop—as of today, we are no longer selling individual books and videos via shop.oreilly.com http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zgfkjioneh7iokn0pr9j4vufbndd548d8vlvbg38. Of course, we'll continue to publish books and videos on the topics you need to know, like data science, product management, and leadership—and you'll still be able to buy them at Amazon and other retailers. And these important things about your O'Reilly account are staying exactly the same:
- You'll still have access to every ebook and video listed in "Your
Products" on your O'Reilly account page.
- We'll alert you when those products are updated, and you can download the revised version from the "Your Products" page.
and/or Google Drive.
- You can still send the O'Reilly ebooks you've purchased to Dropbox
Of course, *every O'Reilly book and video (including O'Reilly conference sessions) is available instantly on Safari*, plus: "Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture
- *thousands more* from other great publishers like Packt, Pearson, and Wiley
- *early access* to upcoming O'Reilly books
- *training* in TensorFlow, Python, JavaScript, and more—delivered
live, online, by real experts in real time, and only available on Safari
- *on-demand Learning Paths* on data science, people management, design thinking, etc.
"Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture If you like Spotify and Netflix, you'll love Safari (1.8 million people already do)! And for the cost of seven books a year, you'll have access to the *entire* O'Reilly catalog. *Sign up for an annual membership today—for one week only, we'll throw in a $100 Amazon gift card* to spend on whatever you want. And Safari membership has a 14-day money-back guarantee, so what do you have to lose? GET STARTED WITH SAFARI http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1znvuii7aq6st99cl687k3p8bldslk2qj3npnl36o O'Reilly reserves the right to cancel fulfillment of this promotion in the event of a participant's apparent fraud, violation of law, or cancellation of membership. Void where prohibited. Gift card will be issued via email after 30 days' continuous membership. This offer is not transferable and does not apply to current Safari members, multi-user, or enterprise accounts. Offer applies to annual memberships for individual subscribers only. Offer expires July 6, 2017.
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Thanks for the enlightenment, especially all the marketplace details. (One private reply already straightened me out on the Safari matter.)
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On 28 June 2017 at 20:04, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
ORA (O'Reilly & Associates) Safari is their online eBook all-you-can-read subscription service which includes every ORA book and quite a lot of others as well. I believe it predates the Apple Safari browser.
Safari subscriptions are obviously healthy enough, and individual book sales weak enough, that they figure it's not worth maintaining a retail storefront anymore.
Although there's no mention that I saw either way, I would assume you can continue to purchase ORA books like every other book, though booksellers (including Amazon, of course).
Based on what I've heard from other publishers, Amazon - which likely represents the bulk of their print sales nowadays - punishes publishers who compete directly with Amazon, especially those that discount their books even further. ORA didn't discount further, but did offer the eBook with the print edition.
So they decided to go back to their roots as a publisher, plus a subscription service. It's their right to change things. Although I do wish *something* would stay the same these days. Something good, I mean - government incompetence and inefficiency seems to be a constant even though I wish that would change!
-Adam
On June 28, 2017 7:22:21 PM CDT, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote:
Huh??? I am stunned! And, it's "as of today". No prior notice? What happened there so suddenly?
I am also somewhat confused by the alternative ways of buying O'Reilly books. I don't know what this Safari thing is all about for buying books - I thought Safari is an alternate browser.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331 <(204)%20339-8331>
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: O'Reilly Media oreilly@post.oreilly.com Date: 28 June 2017 at 17:57 Subject: Changes to the O'Reilly shop To: hwsager@marityme.net
[image: And important things about your O'Reilly account] Hartmut W, Things are changing at the O'Reilly online shop—as of today, we are no longer selling individual books and videos via shop.oreilly.com http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1zgfkjioneh7iokn0pr9j4vufbndd548d8vlvbg38. Of course, we'll continue to publish books and videos on the topics you need to know, like data science, product management, and leadership—and you'll still be able to buy them at Amazon and other retailers. And these important things about your O'Reilly account are staying exactly the same:
- You'll still have access to every ebook and video listed in "Your
Products" on your O'Reilly account page.
- We'll alert you when those products are updated, and you can
download the revised version from the "Your Products" page.
- You can still send the O'Reilly ebooks you've purchased to Dropbox
and/or Google Drive.
Of course, *every O'Reilly book and video (including O'Reilly conference sessions) is available instantly on Safari*, plus: "Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture
- *thousands more* from other great publishers like Packt, Pearson,
and Wiley
- *early access* to upcoming O'Reilly books
- *training* in TensorFlow, Python, JavaScript, and more—delivered
live, online, by real experts in real time, and only available on Safari
- *on-demand Learning Paths* on data science, people management,
design thinking, etc.
"Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture If you like Spotify and Netflix, you'll love Safari (1.8 million people already do)! And for the cost of seven books a year, you'll have access to the *entire* O'Reilly catalog. *Sign up for an annual membership today—for one week only, we'll throw in a $100 Amazon gift card* to spend on whatever you want. And Safari membership has a 14-day money-back guarantee, so what do you have to lose? GET STARTED WITH SAFARI http://post.oreilly.com/rd/9z1znvuii7aq6st99cl687k3p8bldslk2qj3npnl36o O'Reilly reserves the right to cancel fulfillment of this promotion in the event of a participant's apparent fraud, violation of law, or cancellation of membership. Void where prohibited. Gift card will be issued via email after 30 days' continuous membership. This offer is not transferable and does not apply to current Safari members, multi-user, or enterprise accounts. Offer applies to annual memberships for individual subscribers only. Offer expires July 6, 2017.
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One question now though, can you still buy DRM-free eBooks? What you bought directly from them was unsoiled, but I think everything through Amazon or Kobo was DRM-infested.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 28, 2017, at 18:21, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote:
Thanks for the enlightenment, especially all the marketplace details. (One private reply already straightened me out on the Safari matter.)
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331, +1-204-515-1701, +1-204-515-1700, +1-810-471-4600
On 28 June 2017 at 20:04, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote: ORA (O'Reilly & Associates) Safari is their online eBook all-you-can-read subscription service which includes every ORA book and quite a lot of others as well. I believe it predates the Apple Safari browser.
Safari subscriptions are obviously healthy enough, and individual book sales weak enough, that they figure it's not worth maintaining a retail storefront anymore.
Although there's no mention that I saw either way, I would assume you can continue to purchase ORA books like every other book, though booksellers (including Amazon, of course).
Based on what I've heard from other publishers, Amazon - which likely represents the bulk of their print sales nowadays - punishes publishers who compete directly with Amazon, especially those that discount their books even further. ORA didn't discount further, but did offer the eBook with the print edition.
So they decided to go back to their roots as a publisher, plus a subscription service. It's their right to change things. Although I do wish *something* would stay the same these days. Something good, I mean - government incompetence and inefficiency seems to be a constant even though I wish that would change!
-Adam
On June 28, 2017 7:22:21 PM CDT, Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net wrote: Huh??? I am stunned! And, it's "as of today". No prior notice? What happened there so suddenly?
I am also somewhat confused by the alternative ways of buying O'Reilly books. I don't know what this Safari thing is all about for buying books - I thought Safari is an alternate browser.
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: O'Reilly Media oreilly@post.oreilly.com Date: 28 June 2017 at 17:57 Subject: Changes to the O'Reilly shop To: hwsager@marityme.net
Hartmut W, Things are changing at the O'Reilly online shop—as of today, we are no longer selling individual books and videos via shop.oreilly.com. Of course, we'll continue to publish books and videos on the topics you need to know, like data science, product management, and leadership—and you'll still be able to buy them at Amazon and other retailers. And these important things about your O'Reilly account are staying exactly the same: You'll still have access to every ebook and video listed in "Your Products" on your O'Reilly account page. We'll alert you when those products are updated, and you can download the revised version from the "Your Products" page. You can still send the O'Reilly ebooks you've purchased to Dropbox and/or Google Drive. Of course, every O'Reilly book and video (including O'Reilly conference sessions) is available instantly on Safari, plus: "Safari turbo-charged my learning. Instead of limiting myself to a few good books a year, I now have access to a dream library." – Arthur Burkhardt, Digital Analytics Consultant, Accenture thousands more from other great publishers like Packt, Pearson, and Wiley early access to upcoming O'Reilly books training in TensorFlow, Python, JavaScript, and more—delivered live, online, by real experts in real time, and only available on Safari on-demand Learning Paths on data science, people management, design thinking, etc. If you like Spotify and Netflix, you'll love Safari (1.8 million people already do)! And for the cost of seven books a year, you'll have access to the entire O'Reilly catalog. Sign up for an annual membership today—for one week only, we'll throw in a $100 Amazon gift card to spend on whatever you want. And Safari membership has a 14-day money-back guarantee, so what do you have to lose? GET STARTED WITH SAFARI O'Reilly reserves the right to cancel fulfillment of this promotion in the event of a participant's apparent fraud, violation of law, or cancellation of membership. Void where prohibited. Gift card will be issued via email after 30 days' continuous membership. This offer is not transferable and does not apply to current Safari members, multi-user, or enterprise accounts. Offer applies to annual memberships for individual subscribers only. Offer expires July 6, 2017.
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On 2017-06-28 Tim Lavoie wrote:
One question now though, can you still buy DRM-free eBooks? What you bought directly from them was unsoiled, but I think everything through Amazon or Kobo was DRM-infested.
I'll never buy digital from Amazon so I'm not sure, but I think that Az is DRM-only and can only be read with Kindle or an Az app or a specific Az web page (though I could be wrong). I'm sure some MUUGer has bought Az digital books and can enlighten us further.
(BTW, Kobo is tied to Indigo/Chapter's competing device/format, completely incompatible with Az's Kindle.)
Further to my other post, here's some more info on the ORM change:
Official explanation: (disappointed this isn't Tim writing this) https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/were-reinventing-too
Pages and pages of angry user comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659462
Oh ya, and it seems that the biggest loss here is that never again can one get a PDF format ORM title. It's toast, kaput. I tried all the formats I could use to read my digitally-bought ORM titles and finally settled on using PDF exclusively as it's the only format I could stomach. The others just stunk when it came to layout/formatting and images/figures. And their page numbers never made any sense. With the PDF I knew I was looking at exactly what the printed book looked like. Only on my phone would I touch any other format (epub usually), because of limited screen space.
Final note, I guess MUUG *really* won't be getting any book or ebook donations from ORM ever again (not that we have for 2+ years now). And no more "user group discount". And I'm pretty sure this also does away with any future O'Reilly (and possibly sub-brands like No Starch!?) Humble Bundle like the two MUUG has bought already.
Hey, it could be worse, they could have announced they were discontinuing print books completely!!! (Knock on wood...)
Both Amazon and Kobo (Rakuten) sell DRM-free e-media. It largely depends on the publisher. Both online stores specify whether or not the item you're buying has DRM or not.
-Adam
On June 29, 2017 1:00:57 AM CDT, Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
On 2017-06-28 Tim Lavoie wrote:
One question now though, can you still buy DRM-free eBooks? What you bought directly from them was unsoiled, but I think everything through Amazon or Kobo was DRM-infested.
I'll never buy digital from Amazon so I'm not sure, but I think that Az is DRM-only and can only be read with Kindle or an Az app or a specific Az web page (though I could be wrong). I'm sure some MUUGer has bought Az digital books and can enlighten us further.
(BTW, Kobo is tied to Indigo/Chapter's competing device/format, completely incompatible with Az's Kindle.)
Further to my other post, here's some more info on the ORM change:
Official explanation: (disappointed this isn't Tim writing this) https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/were-reinventing-too
Pages and pages of angry user comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659462
Oh ya, and it seems that the biggest loss here is that never again can one get a PDF format ORM title. It's toast, kaput. I tried all the formats I could use to read my digitally-bought ORM titles and finally settled on using PDF exclusively as it's the only format I could stomach. The others just stunk when it came to layout/formatting and images/figures. And their page numbers never made any sense. With the PDF I knew I was looking at exactly what the printed book looked like. Only on my phone would I touch any other format (epub usually), because of limited screen space.
Final note, I guess MUUG *really* won't be getting any book or ebook donations from ORM ever again (not that we have for 2+ years now). And no more "user group discount". And I'm pretty sure this also does away with any future O'Reilly (and possibly sub-brands like No Starch!?) Humble Bundle like the two MUUG has bought already.
Hey, it could be worse, they could have announced they were discontinuing print books completely!!! (Knock on wood...) _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.ca https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
Oh, good to know. Maybe there's hope, albeit maybe not for the PDFs.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 29, 2017, at 04:25, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
Both Amazon and Kobo (Rakuten) sell DRM-free e-media. It largely depends on the publisher. Both online stores specify whether or not the item you're buying has DRM or not.
-Adam
On June 29, 2017 1:00:57 AM CDT, Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
On 2017-06-28 Tim Lavoie wrote: One question now though, can you still buy DRM-free eBooks? What you bought directly from them was unsoiled, but I think everything through Amazon or Kobo was DRM-infested.
I'll never buy digital from Amazon so I'm not sure, but I think that Az is DRM-only and can only be read with Kindle or an Az app or a specific Az web page (though I could be wrong). I'm sure some MUUGer has bought Az digital books and can enlighten us further.
(BTW, Kobo is tied to Indigo/Chapter's competing device/format, completely incompatible with Az's Kindle.)
Further to my other post, here's some more info on the ORM change:
Official explanation: (disappointed this isn't Tim writing this) https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/were-reinventing-too
Pages and pages of angry user comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659462
Oh ya, and it seems that the biggest loss here is that never again can one get a PDF format ORM title. It's toast, kaput. I tried all the formats I could use to read my digitally-bought ORM titles and finally settled on using PDF exclusively as it's the only format I could stomach. The others just stunk when it came to layout/formatting and images/figures. And their page numbers never made any sense. With the PDF I knew I was looking at exactly what the printed book looked like. Only on my phone would I touch any other format (epub usually), because of limited screen space.
Final note, I guess MUUG *really* won't be getting any book or ebook donations from ORM ever again (not that we have for 2+ years now). And no more "user group discount". And I'm pretty sure this also does away with any future O'Reilly (and possibly sub-brands like No Starch!?) Humble Bundle like the two MUUG has bought already.
Hey, it could be worse, they could have announced they were discontinuing print books completely!!! (Knock on wood...)
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The PDF's were my primary download (and O'Reilly Dropbox sync) format too, though I also grabbed the ePub version "just in case".
Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331
On 29 June 2017 at 10:02, Tim Lavoie tim@fractaldragon.net wrote:
Oh, good to know. Maybe there's hope, albeit maybe not for the PDFs.
Sent from my iPhone
On Jun 29, 2017, at 04:25, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
Both Amazon and Kobo (Rakuten) sell DRM-free e-media. It largely depends on the publisher. Both online stores specify whether or not the item you're buying has DRM or not.
-Adam
On June 29, 2017 1:00:57 AM CDT, Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
On 2017-06-28 Tim Lavoie wrote:
One question now though, can you still buy DRM-free eBooks? What you bought directly from them was unsoiled, but I think everything through Amazon or Kobo was DRM-infested.
I'll never buy digital from Amazon so I'm not sure, but I think that Az is DRM-only and can only be read with Kindle or an Az app or a specific Az web page (though I could be wrong). I'm sure some MUUGer has bought Az digital books and can enlighten us further.
(BTW, Kobo is tied to Indigo/Chapter's competing device/format, completely incompatible with Az's Kindle.)
Further to my other post, here's some more info on the ORM change:
Official explanation: (disappointed this isn't Tim writing this) https://www.oreilly.com/ideas/were-reinventing-too
Pages and pages of angry user comments: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14659462
Oh ya, and it seems that the biggest loss here is that never again can one get a PDF format ORM title. It's toast, kaput. I tried all the formats I could use to read my digitally-bought ORM titles and finally settled on using PDF exclusively as it's the only format I could stomach. The others just stunk when it came to layout/formatting and images/figures. And their page numbers never made any sense. With the PDF I knew I was looking at exactly what the printed book looked like. Only on my phone would I touch any other format (epub usually), because of limited screen space.
Final note, I guess MUUG *really* won't be getting any book or ebook donations from ORM ever again (not that we have for 2+ years now). And no more "user group discount". And I'm pretty sure this also does away with any future O'Reilly (and possibly sub-brands like No Starch!?) Humble Bundle like the two MUUG has bought already.
Hey, it could be worse, they could have announced they were discontinuing print books completely!!! (Knock on wood...)
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On 2017-06-28 Hartmut W Sager wrote:
Huh??? I am stunned! And, it's "as of today". No prior notice? What happened there so suddenly?
Ya, this stinks big time. I follow O'Reilly releases religiously and I caught nary a whiff of this before now.
I can kind of understand not wanting to ship physical books anymore, but to ditch digital book selling seems rather dumb. And not selling the videos anymore seems completely insane. I never really buy ebooks unless I need something *now*, so I don't care about them, but I did buy videos direct from their site semi-regularly, when they came up as deal of the week.
Amazon is fine for print, especially in the used marketplace, but I don't think I'll ever buy a digital anything from Amazon. So that means no more ORM videos for me :-(
Adam must be correct: ORM must have been pressured by Amazon. It would have cost ORM nothing to keep their excellent ebook and video digital content shop in place and just ditch the physical books. This move seems counterproductive. If Az really is punishing publishers/"competitors" then maybe it is time for Az to get hit with some anti-trust suits...
Or, their sales of digital were way down due to piracy, not sure how many people were abusing their non-DRM system. If you're reading this and have pirated ORM content, shame on you!
Safari doesn't strike me as a viable replacement for most people, especially the average joe home user. $399US/yr ($529CA) is pretty steep for most MUUGers I'm assuming. It's scaring me away, and I'm kind of their prime target (I consume ORM books by the dozen). If piracy was the problem, I can see how the Safari model will help monetize the casual pirates.
Other things that have changed:
1. Their individual book pages don't list a price, not even a cover price, anymore (screws up my want-list spreadsheet!!)
2. They got rid of their links to their "getsatisfaction" customer support forum, which I assume means they are deprecating it. However, my old bookmarks still work so go to: http://support.oreilly.com/oreilly/topics and complain directly to ORM, who I assume is still reading it (ORM has great employees who always helped there very promptly). There's already a topic made for this: "Bring back PDF ebooks".
3. Their "your account" section has dropped the "register print books" option. That means no discounts anymore on new edition upgrades. Worse, now we can't add new books to the existing list meaning we can use that site to track our entire collection anymore. Nor will we get notices from them when new editions or errata correction "updates" are released.
books - I thought Safari is an alternate browser.
Ya, ORM's Safari predates Apple stealing the word by many many years. I think ORM was doing Safari as early as the mid-90's?
All in all, quite disappointed with this move of theirs. Everyone should moan on their getsatisfaction page linked above.
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