[RndTbl] Linux "write"

[Adam Thompson]

Yeah, I agree - mostly. 

I also agree with (again) the OpenBSD project where they feel that by carefully! removing unused or unsafe code, they're improving the average quality of what's left.

You're spot-on about the timelines though.  What you're describing is, I think, not so much "the September that never ended", but "the CADT event that never ended".  (https://www.jwz.org/doc/cadt.html)

Not sure why, but it sucks.

-Adam


On July 3, 2017 2:29:42 AM CDT, Trevor Cordes <trevor at tecnopolis.ca> wrote:
>On 2017-07-03 Adam Thompson wrote:
>> Sorry, I have to agree with them.  Your use case is... pretty much
>> obsolete, at least in my opinion.
>
>Getting philosophical: one of the virtues of *NIX I always extol to
>outsiders and insiders alike is how *NIX always builds on the past, and
>rarely (until recently) destroys it.  This was its strength.  It didn't
>break %#!@.  It didn't revamp itself into something new we hate every 5
>years (ehem, Micro$oft).  It just kept adding features.
>
>I would say that was true from when I started on *NIX in 1992 through
>to about 2010.  During that heyday, almost nothing I cared about or
>used
>ever broke.  Since then it's changed drastically. I used to look
>forward to the new RH (later Fedora) version release, now I dread every
>latest Fedora, because I know it will break 2-4 things that will cost
>me 2-4 days (or more, sometimes weeks) debugging or working around.
>
>Somewhere along the way the dev mindset changed from respecting the
>past
>to actively destroying it for destruction's sake.  In 1992 I respected
>what the guys in 1970 did, so why can't the 2017 devs respect what we
>did in 1995?
>
>If you change this aspect of *NIX, then you knock down one of its key
>pillars.  It becomes another Windows where you throw away your mastery
>and tools every 5-10 years; never really getting ahead, just keeping
>up.
>
>> real world example of https://xkcd.com/1172/ from my perspective.
>
>Ha, well, not quite... wall and write and utmp are documented things
>that are supposed to work as intended (and have for, 40 years?).  But
>good cartoon anyhow :-)
>
>> Anyway, I don't have a neat solution wrapped up for you, sorry.  I
>> finally gave up on Linux as a desktop last year, and I was using
>> gnome terminal to the bitter end (and not caring whether it wrote to
>
>Shame, as I think Linux as a desktop is finally "here".  When I can
>convert my wife, mom and dad to Linux without any pushback or non-stop
>support calls, you know Linux has arrived.  In fact, I deal with far
>less "support" with them on Linux than I ever did with Windows!  And I
>can fix it all with ssh instead of vnc.  (A funny aside: I tried some
>on stock Fedora GNOME 3/shell and they couldn't figure anything out;
>but switching to XFCE solved that problem.  Heck, I can barely figure
>out GNOME 3, so I'm not sure who their target market is.)
>
>Personally, I can't see how anyone could use Windows for serious
>multitasking desktop work these days... but that's a whole other
>discussion.

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