[*] Shaw not selling VoIP?

John Lange john.lange at open-it.ca
Thu Aug 25 13:14:08 CDT 2005


Search through the archives here: http://www.angustel.ca/

You might find it. Not sure how far back it goes.

BTW, its a good weekly round-up of telco announcements.

John

On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 12:46 -0500, LES.NET (1996) INC. wrote:
> Do you recall seeing MTS's announcement about 5+ years ago stating they're
> switching the entire province to VoIP ?   They beat Telus to it by a long
> shot!
> 
> Wish I still had that press release.
> 
> Les
> 
> > On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 12:19 -0500, LES.NET (1996) INC. wrote:
> >> I would suspect that shaw/bigpipe has their own very nice private
> >> network
> >> between all their cities for their voip products.   So calls destined to
> >> local calling areas they serve most likely go out their own pops.
> >
> > That would be the smart thing to do but if that is the case then I think
> > that pretty much makes it VoI since it would be the same fibre. Might
> > even uses public IP addresses...
> >
> > It all becomes blurry at that point...
> >
> > Actually, that reminds me, I thought I saw an announcement by Telus
> > several months back that said they were switching their entire delivery
> > infrastructure to VoIP?
> >
> > --
> > John Lange
> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
> >
> >>
> >> Les
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > I certainly get your point about differentiating VoIP (internet
> >> protocols)
> >> > vs what Bill previously described as VoI (internet).  There is the
> >> > difference -- but you are correct that while they may say they're not
> >> VoIP
> >> > just to differentiate themselves from the VoI providers, they are
> >> still
> >> > running VoIP.  FUD marketing.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks for that feedback on the local calls Les .. I suspected they
> >> had to
> >> > exit to the pstn locally for each service area they cover.  The
> >> question
> >> > then comes at what point do they route to the pstn for long distance
> >> calls
> >> > -- is it always local pstn, or do they route over their existing
> >> > infrastructure to the closest pstn access to the destination??
> >> >
> >> > Dan.
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > From: "LES.NET (1996) INC." <voip at les.net>
> >> > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:19 am
> >> > Subject: Re: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
> >> >
> >> >> The calls happen locally here.
> >> >>
> >> >> You cannot port a number out of province.
> >> >>
> >> >> Les
> >> >>
> >> >> > Certainly I understand from a marketing perspective why they are
> >> >> doing> it this way. There are many things you can do to
> >> >> differentiate your
> >> >> > service.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > I just have a problem with them explicitly denying something
> >> >> that is
> >> >> > explicitly true.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > If, in response to the question they said, "it uses a similar
> >> >> technology> but the difference is calls are not routed over the
> >> >> public internet."
> >> >> > I'd be ok with that because basically there service is VoIP on a
> >> >> private> WAN.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > This raises the question, where does their PSTN connectivity
> >> >> happen? One
> >> >> > possibility is its all done centrally out of Calgary which means
> >> >> they> would be back-hauling the calls via BigPipe, again using IP
> >> >> so really it
> >> >> > might be over the internet...
> >> >> >
> >> >> > --
> >> >> > John Lange
> >> >> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
> >> >> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
> >> >> >
> >> >> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:55 -0500, DAN KEIZER wrote:
> >> >> >> Not to defend nor attack shaw, but I suspect they are
> >> >> differentiating>> themselves from the open internet connectivity
> >> >> vs their own managed
> >> >> >> cablesystems "internal" infrastructure.  Let's face it, some
> >> >> guys I
> >> >> >> talked to that have used VoIP services in the past (such as
> >> >> vonage or
> >> >> >> primus), have changed to shaw and like it better as it does not
> >> >> have the
> >> >> >> qos issues that the other "true internet" voip services have.
> >> >> Local vs
> >> >> >> remote servers and where the digital connects to the pstn.
> >> >> >> If I had voip installed at a workplace for internal use, I
> >> >> wouldn't have
> >> >> >> internal Voip issues either if I ran a properly setup network and
> >> >> >> managed it properly.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Differentiating their service to the entrenched voip services
> >> >> is my bet
> >> >> >> on what they're doing ...
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Dan.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> >> From: John Lange <john.lange at open-it.ca>
> >> >> >> Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:08 pm
> >> >> >> Subject: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Its a bit interesting that if you call Shaw and ask "Is your
> >> >> service>> > VoIP?" they will adamantly deny it, saying instead
> >> >> that its "Digital
> >> >> >> > Phone Service, not VoIP".
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Yet, here is the data sheet from Motorola on the modem:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/SBV5120%2520Data%2520Sheet.pdf&ei=9sMMQ62OEJOS-gHpzqzTCQ
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > (if that URL is too long for you, just google for: Surfboard SBV
> >> >> >> > 5120 )
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Note that official name for the device is the "SURFboard
> >> >> SBV5120 VoIP
> >> >> >> > Cable Modem" and the word VoIP is used several times throughout
> >> >> >> > the data
> >> >> >> > sheet. It even goes on to mention its using g711.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > --
> >> >> >> > John Lange
> >> >> >> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
> >> >> >> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
> >> >> >> >
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