[*] Shaw not selling VoIP?

Thu Aug 25 12:46:23 CDT 2005

Do you recall seeing MTS's announcement about 5+ years ago stating they're
switching the entire province to VoIP ?   They beat Telus to it by a long
shot!

Wish I still had that press release.

Les

> On Thu, 2005-08-25 at 12:19 -0500, LES.NET (1996) INC. wrote:
>> I would suspect that shaw/bigpipe has their own very nice private
>> network
>> between all their cities for their voip products.   So calls destined to
>> local calling areas they serve most likely go out their own pops.
>
> That would be the smart thing to do but if that is the case then I think
> that pretty much makes it VoI since it would be the same fibre. Might
> even uses public IP addresses...
>
> It all becomes blurry at that point...
>
> Actually, that reminds me, I thought I saw an announcement by Telus
> several months back that said they were switching their entire delivery
> infrastructure to VoIP?
>
> --
> John Lange
> OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
> VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
>
>>
>> Les
>>
>>
>>
>> > I certainly get your point about differentiating VoIP (internet
>> protocols)
>> > vs what Bill previously described as VoI (internet).  There is the
>> > difference -- but you are correct that while they may say they're not
>> VoIP
>> > just to differentiate themselves from the VoI providers, they are
>> still
>> > running VoIP.  FUD marketing.
>> >
>> > Thanks for that feedback on the local calls Les .. I suspected they
>> had to
>> > exit to the pstn locally for each service area they cover.  The
>> question
>> > then comes at what point do they route to the pstn for long distance
>> calls
>> > -- is it always local pstn, or do they route over their existing
>> > infrastructure to the closest pstn access to the destination??
>> >
>> > Dan.
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "LES.NET (1996) INC." <voip at les.net>
>> > Date: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:19 am
>> > Subject: Re: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
>> >
>> >> The calls happen locally here.
>> >>
>> >> You cannot port a number out of province.
>> >>
>> >> Les
>> >>
>> >> > Certainly I understand from a marketing perspective why they are
>> >> doing> it this way. There are many things you can do to
>> >> differentiate your
>> >> > service.
>> >> >
>> >> > I just have a problem with them explicitly denying something
>> >> that is
>> >> > explicitly true.
>> >> >
>> >> > If, in response to the question they said, "it uses a similar
>> >> technology> but the difference is calls are not routed over the
>> >> public internet."
>> >> > I'd be ok with that because basically there service is VoIP on a
>> >> private> WAN.
>> >> >
>> >> > This raises the question, where does their PSTN connectivity
>> >> happen? One
>> >> > possibility is its all done centrally out of Calgary which means
>> >> they> would be back-hauling the calls via BigPipe, again using IP
>> >> so really it
>> >> > might be over the internet...
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > John Lange
>> >> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
>> >> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
>> >> >
>> >> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:55 -0500, DAN KEIZER wrote:
>> >> >> Not to defend nor attack shaw, but I suspect they are
>> >> differentiating>> themselves from the open internet connectivity
>> >> vs their own managed
>> >> >> cablesystems "internal" infrastructure.  Let's face it, some
>> >> guys I
>> >> >> talked to that have used VoIP services in the past (such as
>> >> vonage or
>> >> >> primus), have changed to shaw and like it better as it does not
>> >> have the
>> >> >> qos issues that the other "true internet" voip services have.
>> >> Local vs
>> >> >> remote servers and where the digital connects to the pstn.
>> >> >> If I had voip installed at a workplace for internal use, I
>> >> wouldn't have
>> >> >> internal Voip issues either if I ran a properly setup network and
>> >> >> managed it properly.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Differentiating their service to the entrenched voip services
>> >> is my bet
>> >> >> on what they're doing ...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Dan.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> >> From: John Lange <john.lange at open-it.ca>
>> >> >> Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:08 pm
>> >> >> Subject: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Its a bit interesting that if you call Shaw and ask "Is your
>> >> service>> > VoIP?" they will adamantly deny it, saying instead
>> >> that its "Digital
>> >> >> > Phone Service, not VoIP".
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Yet, here is the data sheet from Motorola on the modem:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/SBV5120%2520Data%2520Sheet.pdf&ei=9sMMQ62OEJOS-gHpzqzTCQ
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > (if that URL is too long for you, just google for: Surfboard SBV
>> >> >> > 5120 )
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Note that official name for the device is the "SURFboard
>> >> SBV5120 VoIP
>> >> >> > Cable Modem" and the word VoIP is used several times throughout
>> >> >> > the data
>> >> >> > sheet. It even goes on to mention its using g711.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > --
>> >> >> > John Lange
>> >> >> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
>> >> >> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
>> >> >> >
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