[*] Shaw not selling VoIP?

[LES.NET (1996) INC.]

I would suspect that shaw/bigpipe has their own very nice private network
between all their cities for their voip products.   So calls destined to
local calling areas they serve most likely go out their own pops.

Les



> I certainly get your point about differentiating VoIP (internet protocols)
> vs what Bill previously described as VoI (internet).  There is the
> difference -- but you are correct that while they may say they're not VoIP
> just to differentiate themselves from the VoI providers, they are still
> running VoIP.  FUD marketing.
>
> Thanks for that feedback on the local calls Les .. I suspected they had to
> exit to the pstn locally for each service area they cover.  The question
> then comes at what point do they route to the pstn for long distance calls
> -- is it always local pstn, or do they route over their existing
> infrastructure to the closest pstn access to the destination??
>
> Dan.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "LES.NET (1996) INC." <voip at les.net>
> Date: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:19 am
> Subject: Re: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
>
>> The calls happen locally here.
>>
>> You cannot port a number out of province.
>>
>> Les
>>
>> > Certainly I understand from a marketing perspective why they are
>> doing> it this way. There are many things you can do to
>> differentiate your
>> > service.
>> >
>> > I just have a problem with them explicitly denying something
>> that is
>> > explicitly true.
>> >
>> > If, in response to the question they said, "it uses a similar
>> technology> but the difference is calls are not routed over the
>> public internet."
>> > I'd be ok with that because basically there service is VoIP on a
>> private> WAN.
>> >
>> > This raises the question, where does their PSTN connectivity
>> happen? One
>> > possibility is its all done centrally out of Calgary which means
>> they> would be back-hauling the calls via BigPipe, again using IP
>> so really it
>> > might be over the internet...
>> >
>> > --
>> > John Lange
>> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
>> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
>> >
>> > On Wed, 2005-08-24 at 14:55 -0500, DAN KEIZER wrote:
>> >> Not to defend nor attack shaw, but I suspect they are
>> differentiating>> themselves from the open internet connectivity
>> vs their own managed
>> >> cablesystems "internal" infrastructure.  Let's face it, some
>> guys I
>> >> talked to that have used VoIP services in the past (such as
>> vonage or
>> >> primus), have changed to shaw and like it better as it does not
>> have the
>> >> qos issues that the other "true internet" voip services have.
>> Local vs
>> >> remote servers and where the digital connects to the pstn.
>> >> If I had voip installed at a workplace for internal use, I
>> wouldn't have
>> >> internal Voip issues either if I ran a properly setup network and
>> >> managed it properly.
>> >>
>> >> Differentiating their service to the entrenched voip services
>> is my bet
>> >> on what they're doing ...
>> >>
>> >> Dan.
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: John Lange <john.lange at open-it.ca>
>> >> Date: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 2:08 pm
>> >> Subject: [*] Shaw not selling VoIP?
>> >>
>> >> > Its a bit interesting that if you call Shaw and ask "Is your
>> service>> > VoIP?" they will adamantly deny it, saying instead
>> that its "Digital
>> >> > Phone Service, not VoIP".
>> >> >
>> >> > Yet, here is the data sheet from Motorola on the modem:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&ct=res&cd=1&url=http%3A//broadband.motorola.com/catalog/product_documents/SBV5120%2520Data%2520Sheet.pdf&ei=9sMMQ62OEJOS-gHpzqzTCQ
>> >> >
>> >> > (if that URL is too long for you, just google for: Surfboard SBV
>> >> > 5120 )
>> >> >
>> >> > Note that official name for the device is the "SURFboard
>> SBV5120 VoIP
>> >> > Cable Modem" and the word VoIP is used several times throughout
>> >> > the data
>> >> > sheet. It even goes on to mention its using g711.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > John Lange
>> >> > OpenIT ltd. www.Open-IT.ca (204) 885 0872
>> >> > VoIP, Web services, Linux Consulting, Server Co-Location
>> >> >
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