JMAP Revamped jmap.io Website
As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too. Well, they just announced a revamped Website, still located at: https://jmap.io/ Hartmut ----- Original message ----- From: Neil Jenkins <neilj=40fastmailteam.com@dmarc.ietf.org> To: IETF JMAP Mailing List <jmap@ietf.org> Subject: [JMAP] Revamped jmap.io website Date: Monday, April 20, 2026 21:51 Hi all, We've just rolled out a major revamp of the jmap.io website. Some highlights: • Much improved design, now also responsive for mobile devices, and with dark mode support. • All the JMAP RFCs hosted in one place, formatted nicely and easy to link to any line in the spec. • New "Why JMAP" page with the case for switching. Hopefully this helps people discover and learn about JMAP, and as a useful reference guide. Cheers, Neil.
Even if the spec were 100% complete today, it would still be about 10 years too late to really matter, but it's still good to see if isn't dead. -Adam Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/AAb9ysg> ________________________________ From: Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:07:47 PM To: MUUG - Round Table <roundtable@muug.ca> Subject: [RndTbl] JMAP Revamped jmap.io Website As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too. Well, they just announced a revamped Website, still located at: https://jmap.io/ Hartmut ----- Original message ----- From: Neil Jenkins <neilj=40fastmailteam.com@dmarc.ietf.org<mailto:40fastmailteam.com@dmarc.ietf.org>> To: IETF JMAP Mailing List <jmap@ietf.org<mailto:jmap@ietf.org>> Subject: [JMAP] Revamped jmap.io<http://jmap.io> website Date: Monday, April 20, 2026 21:51 Hi all, We've just rolled out a major revamp of the jmap.io<https://jmap.io/> website. Some highlights: * Much improved design, now also responsive for mobile devices, and with dark mode support. * All the JMAP RFCs hosted in one place, formatted nicely and easy to link to any line in the spec. * New "Why JMAP" page with the case for switching. Hopefully this helps people discover and learn about JMAP, and as a useful reference guide. Cheers, Neil.
On 2026-04-20 Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable wrote:
As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too.
SMTP? Surely you must mean as a MUA->MTA protocol ("submission"), but not as a MTA-MTA protocol... On 2026-04-21 Adam Thompson via Roundtable wrote:
Even if the spec were 100% complete today, it would still be about 10 years too late to really matter, but it's still good to see if isn't dead. -Adam
Do you mean because of Outlook or because of gmail? I see this is a great way for FLOSS people to finally get Exchange-like all-in-one capabilities (with cal & card). Or do you mean email is dead because of texting & apps? None is true outside of the normie-sphere. Still plenty of people who want to do it without any borg. In fact, maybe proper tools & options being available will get some pushback against the borgization...
SMTP? Surely you must mean as a MUA->MTA protocol ("submission"), but not as a MTA-MTA protocol...
That is one item I don't fully understand, and I've always wanted to (but don't have time to) delve into. Hartmut On Mon 20 Apr 2026 at 22:45:07 -05:00, Trevor Cordes via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> wrote:
On 2026-04-20 Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable wrote:
As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too.
SMTP? Surely you must mean as a MUA->MTA protocol ("submission"), but not as a MTA-MTA protocol...
Well, if nothing else, a completed JMAP spec (and some reference implementations, hopefully in the form of patches mainlined into Courier, Dovecot, RoundCube and Thunderbird) will be cause for MWL to seriously consider offing himself rather than writing Run Your Own Mail Server, 2nd Edition, and that would prevent another "Savaged by Systemd" travesty. :-) :-) :-) I think I've pitched it here before, but the first/original/only edition of said book is recommend reading if you already do, or want to, run your own mail server, since it covers the mysteries of all the magical mail crap I refuse to deal with anymore, up to and including DKIM and DMARC. (Buying a copy also supports someone who reciprocates by strongly supporting the entire FOSSiverse and who has sponsored MUUG in the past.) Link to the book, including the *DRM-FREE* ePub-format ebook: https://mwl.link/run-your-own-mail-server.html and use code MWL for 10% off. (McNally Robinson can get them in pretty quickly, too, if you prefer to order locally, but you'll need their Reader Rewards card to get any discount.) -Adam P.S. if you're lucky enough to have never encountered it before, let me damage your soul now: https://mwl.link/savaged-by-systemd.html -----Original Message----- From: Trevor Cordes via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:45 PM To: Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> Subject: [RndTbl] Re: JMAP Revamped jmap.io Website On 2026-04-20 Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable wrote:
As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too.
SMTP? Surely you must mean as a MUA->MTA protocol ("submission"), but not as a MTA-MTA protocol... On 2026-04-21 Adam Thompson via Roundtable wrote:
Even if the spec were 100% complete today, it would still be about 10 years too late to really matter, but it's still good to see if isn't dead. -Adam
Do you mean because of Outlook or because of gmail? I see this is a great way for FLOSS people to finally get Exchange-like all-in-one capabilities (with cal & card). Or do you mean email is dead because of texting & apps? None is true outside of the normie-sphere. Still plenty of people who want to do it without any borg. In fact, maybe proper tools & options being available will get some pushback against the borgization... _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca
I haven’t looked into it since last year, but Stalwart (https://github.com/stalwartlabs/stalwart) seemed pretty promising, and it has JMAP. The iOS JMAP clients were not great then and they didn’t have push notifications. I’m not sure if there are any open source/self-hosted push notification services. Originally when I looked many years ago, people had implementations for push notifications.. but as I age, I question if I even want such a thing anymore, but it is something that I have grown accustomed to. Ken
On Apr 20, 2026, at 11:39 PM, Adam Thompson via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> wrote:
Well, if nothing else, a completed JMAP spec (and some reference implementations, hopefully in the form of patches mainlined into Courier, Dovecot, RoundCube and Thunderbird) will be cause for MWL to seriously consider offing himself rather than writing Run Your Own Mail Server, 2nd Edition, and that would prevent another "Savaged by Systemd" travesty. :-) :-) :-)
I think I've pitched it here before, but the first/original/only edition of said book is recommend reading if you already do, or want to, run your own mail server, since it covers the mysteries of all the magical mail crap I refuse to deal with anymore, up to and including DKIM and DMARC. (Buying a copy also supports someone who reciprocates by strongly supporting the entire FOSSiverse and who has sponsored MUUG in the past.)
Link to the book, including the *DRM-FREE* ePub-format ebook: https://mwl.link/run-your-own-mail-server.html and use code MWL for 10% off. (McNally Robinson can get them in pretty quickly, too, if you prefer to order locally, but you'll need their Reader Rewards card to get any discount.)
-Adam
P.S. if you're lucky enough to have never encountered it before, let me damage your soul now: https://mwl.link/savaged-by-systemd.html
-----Original Message----- From: Trevor Cordes via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> Sent: Monday, April 20, 2026 10:45 PM To: Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable <roundtable@muug.ca> Subject: [RndTbl] Re: JMAP Revamped jmap.io Website
On 2026-04-20 Hartmut W Sager via Roundtable wrote:
As many of you have noticed, I have been very supportive of the JMAP initiative, an IETF standard intended to replace IMAP and SMTP, and ultimately CalDAV and CardDAV too.
SMTP? Surely you must mean as a MUA->MTA protocol ("submission"), but not as a MTA-MTA protocol...
On 2026-04-21 Adam Thompson via Roundtable wrote:
Even if the spec were 100% complete today, it would still be about 10 years too late to really matter, but it's still good to see if isn't dead. -Adam
Do you mean because of Outlook or because of gmail? I see this is a great way for FLOSS people to finally get Exchange-like all-in-one capabilities (with cal & card).
Or do you mean email is dead because of texting & apps?
None is true outside of the normie-sphere. Still plenty of people who want to do it without any borg. In fact, maybe proper tools & options being available will get some pushback against the borgization... _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca
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