Hi All, Do you know if it is possible to short-term lease storage on-site, in Winnipeg? Like having someone to bring in an appliance (about 100TB capacity) with a decent connection (10GigE at least) to attach directly to a system, for a short time. -- Grigory Shamov Westgrid/ComputeCanada Site Lead University of Manitoba E2-588 EITC Building, (204) 474-9625
No-one local that I know of, no. I can’t even think of anyone who’d be able to do that for you… the leasing costs would almost be as much as the purchase cost! Do you need SAS, FC, iSCSI, NFS, SMB, or what? That makes a difference. The problem is that even dedicated storage vendors don’t have gear like that sitting ready to go even for resale, never mind leasing… the NPV (or depreciation, if you prefer) curve on storage is far too extreme to take that chance. How short is short-term? -- -Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net Cell: +1 204 291-7950 Fax: +1 204 489-6515 From: Grigory Shamov Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 13:29 To: MUUG Roundtable Hi All, Do you know if it is possible to short-term lease storage on-site, in Winnipeg? Like having someone to bring in an appliance (about 100TB capacity) with a decent connection (10GigE at least) to attach directly to a system, for a short time. -- Grigory Shamov Westgrid/ComputeCanada Site Lead University of Manitoba E2-588 EITC Building, (204) 474-9625 _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.mb.ca http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
NFS or something else that can be mounted from a Linux box. Two weeks to a month. I guess some difference is that buying storage is "capital" expense, leasing can be with some stretch called "repair". -- Grigory Shamov From: Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net<mailto:athompso@athompso.net>> Reply-To: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable@muug.mb.ca<mailto:roundtable@muug.mb.ca>> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2015 1:29 PM To: MUUG Roundtable <roundtable@muug.mb.ca<mailto:roundtable@muug.mb.ca>> Subject: Re: [RndTbl] leasing storage on-site No-one local that I know of, no. I can’t even think of anyone who’d be able to do that for you… the leasing costs would almost be as much as the purchase cost! Do you need SAS, FC, iSCSI, NFS, SMB, or what? That makes a difference. The problem is that even dedicated storage vendors don’t have gear like that sitting ready to go even for resale, never mind leasing… the NPV (or depreciation, if you prefer) curve on storage is far too extreme to take that chance. How short is short-term? -- -Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net<mailto:athompso@athompso.net> Cell: +1 204 291-7950 Fax: +1 204 489-6515 From: Grigory Shamov<mailto:Grigory.Shamov@umanitoba.ca> Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 13:29 To: MUUG Roundtable<mailto:roundtable@muug.mb.ca> Hi All, Do you know if it is possible to short-term lease storage on-site, in Winnipeg? Like having someone to bring in an appliance (about 100TB capacity) with a decent connection (10GigE at least) to attach directly to a system, for a short time. -- Grigory Shamov Westgrid/ComputeCanada Site Lead University of Manitoba E2-588 EITC Building, (204) 474-9625 _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.mb.ca<mailto:Roundtable@muug.mb.ca> http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
Yes, I understand the budgetary problem there. For only one month, my earlier statement stands: I’m sure you could find someone to do it for no more than about 66% of the cost of buying it new. I would recommend talking to National Leasing and see what they can do for you… also possibly call Powerland Computers locally and see if they can do something with an HP storage array (e.g. 3PAR with NFS head-end). I’m sure you’re aware that for most 100TB storage arrays, implementation takes a month, never mind using it… Might be worth calling Broadview Networks, too, and see what their rates would be like to lease an Equallogic array with NFS head-end (an FS7610 paired with two PS4210Es would give you 96TB usable; otherwise 2 or 3 PS6210s would do the trick). Delivery time would be somewhere on the order of 2-3 weeks for the PS arrays, and Equallogic implementation is usually pretty darn fast. (And you could skip the FS7610 altogether if you could just manage with iSCSI.) -- -Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net Cell: +1 204 291-7950 Fax: +1 204 489-6515 From: Grigory Shamov Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 14:05 To: MUUG Roundtable NFS or something else that can be mounted from a Linux box. Two weeks to a month. I guess some difference is that buying storage is "capital" expense, leasing can be with some stretch called "repair". -- Grigory Shamov From: Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net> Reply-To: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable@muug.mb.ca> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2015 1:29 PM To: MUUG Roundtable <roundtable@muug.mb.ca> Subject: Re: [RndTbl] leasing storage on-site No-one local that I know of, no. I can’t even think of anyone who’d be able to do that for you… the leasing costs would almost be as much as the purchase cost! Do you need SAS, FC, iSCSI, NFS, SMB, or what? That makes a difference. The problem is that even dedicated storage vendors don’t have gear like that sitting ready to go even for resale, never mind leasing… the NPV (or depreciation, if you prefer) curve on storage is far too extreme to take that chance. How short is short-term? -- -Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net Cell: +1 204 291-7950 Fax: +1 204 489-6515 From: Grigory Shamov Sent: Thursday, June 11, 2015 13:29 To: MUUG Roundtable Hi All, Do you know if it is possible to short-term lease storage on-site, in Winnipeg? Like having someone to bring in an appliance (about 100TB capacity) with a decent connection (10GigE at least) to attach directly to a system, for a short time. -- Grigory Shamov Westgrid/ComputeCanada Site Lead University of Manitoba E2-588 EITC Building, (204) 474-9625 _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list Roundtable@muug.mb.ca http://www.muug.mb.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable
Daemon defense comes to mind. I'd ask them if I was in your position. On Jun 11, 2015 14:05, "Grigory Shamov" <Grigory.Shamov@umanitoba.ca> wrote:
NFS or something else that can be mounted from a Linux box. Two weeks to a month. I guess some difference is that buying storage is "capital" expense, leasing can be with some stretch called "repair".
-- Grigory Shamov
From: Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net> Reply-To: Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable@muug.mb.ca> Date: Thursday, 11 June, 2015 1:29 PM To: MUUG Roundtable <roundtable@muug.mb.ca> Subject: Re: [RndTbl] leasing storage on-site
No-one local that I know of, no. I can’t even think of anyone who’d be able to do that for you… the leasing costs would almost be as much as the purchase cost! Do you need SAS, FC, iSCSI, NFS, SMB, or what? That makes a difference.
The problem is that even dedicated storage vendors don’t have gear like that sitting ready to go even for resale, never mind leasing… the NPV (or depreciation, if you prefer) curve on storage is far too extreme to take that chance.
How short is short-term?
-- -Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net Cell: +1 204 291-7950 Fax: +1 204 489-6515
*From:* Grigory Shamov <Grigory.Shamov@umanitoba.ca> *Sent:* Thursday, June 11, 2015 13:29 *To:* MUUG Roundtable <roundtable@muug.mb.ca>
Hi All,
Do you know if it is possible to short-term lease storage on-site, in Winnipeg? Like having someone to bring in an appliance (about 100TB capacity) with a decent connection (10GigE at least) to attach directly to a system, for a short time.
-- Grigory Shamov
Westgrid/ComputeCanada Site Lead University of Manitoba E2-588 EITC Building, (204) 474-9625
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