We have decommissioned muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.ca.
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Good! Those provincial subdomains of .ca (resulting in 3rd level domains) have gone into almost total disuse in Canada. Even exceptions like hydro.mb.ca, where each province could legitimately want to do the same thing, is not being used much anymore. I just spot-checked hydro.on.ca and hydro.ns.ca, and they are invalid.
Hartmut
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We have decommissioned muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.ca.
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They're invalid because there aren't organizations with those names, not because they somehow all chose hydro.ca. instead. I agree, however, that 3-level domains are hugely on the decline in Canada... and I'm quite sad about that. -Adam
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Good! Those provincial subdomains of .ca (resulting in 3rd level domains) have gone into almost total disuse in Canada. Even exceptions like hydro.mb.ca, where each province could legitimately want to do the same thing, is not being used much anymore. I just spot-checked hydro.on.ca and hydro.ns.ca, and they are invalid.
Hartmut
On Sat 08 Nov 2025 at 22:39:04 -06:00, Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.camailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote: We have decommissioned muug.mb.cahttp://muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.cahttp://muug.ca.
muug.mb.cahttp://muug.mb.ca will continue to work for other purposes, such as web access. We are disabling email to it to reduce incoming spam. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.camailto:roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.camailto:roundtable-leave@muug.ca
One problem with using the 3rd level (province-specific) domain name is, if the company or organization expands their scope across Canada (even if just partially), they will probably regret the province-specific implication of their domain name. Although, the last time I read the CIRA rules (several years ago), the 2nd level (direct .ca) would be waiting for them, because other than special cases like hydro, a 3rd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) the 2nd level, and a 2nd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) all the provincial 3rd level variants.
I should re-visit the CIRA rules on this, although I would only choose 2nd level in any case.
Hartmut
On Sun 09 Nov 2025 at 18:09:20 -06:00, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
They're invalid because there aren't organizations with those names, not because they somehow all chose hydro.ca. instead. I agree, however, that 3-level domains are hugely on the decline in Canada... and I'm quite sad about that. -Adam
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Good! Those provincial subdomains of .ca (resulting in 3rd level domains) have gone into almost total disuse in Canada. Even exceptions like hydro.mb.ca, where each province could legitimately want to do the same thing, is not being used much anymore. I just spot-checked hydro.on.ca and hydro.ns.ca, and they are invalid.
Hartmut
On Sat 08 Nov 2025 at 22:39:04 -06:00, Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
We have decommissioned muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.ca.
muug.mb.ca will continue to work for other purposes, such as web access. We are disabling email to it to reduce incoming spam. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca
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You're correct AFAIK, but you haven't been able to get any new province-level domain names for a long time, now, so it's largely irrelevant. Excerpt when it shouldn't be, e.g. my favourite terrible example, "city-plap.com" instead of the reserved "portagelaprairie.mb.ca", and, I believe, "portagelaprairie.ca". -Adam
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One problem with using the 3rd level (province-specific) domain name is, if the company or organization expands their scope across Canada (even if just partially), they will probably regret the province-specific implication of their domain name. Although, the last time I read the CIRA rules (several years ago), the 2nd level (direct .ca) would be waiting for them, because other than special cases like hydro, a 3rd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) the 2nd level, and a 2nd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) all the provincial 3rd level variants.
I should re-visit the CIRA rules on this, although I would only choose 2nd level in any case.
Hartmut
On Sun 09 Nov 2025 at 18:09:20 -06:00, Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.netmailto:athompso@athompso.net> wrote: They're invalid because there aren't organizations with those names, not because they somehow all chose hydro.ca. instead. I agree, however, that 3-level domains are hugely on the decline in Canada... and I'm quite sad about that. -Adam
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From: Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net Sent: Sunday, November 9, 2025 1:26:26 AM To: MUUG - Round Table roundtable@muug.ca Subject: [RndTbl] Re: muug.mb.ca decomissioned for email
Good! Those provincial subdomains of .ca (resulting in 3rd level domains) have gone into almost total disuse in Canada. Even exceptions like hydro.mb.ca, where each province could legitimately want to do the same thing, is not being used much anymore. I just spot-checked hydro.on.ca and hydro.ns.ca, and they are invalid.
Hartmut
On Sat 08 Nov 2025 at 22:39:04 -06:00, Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.camailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca> wrote: We have decommissioned muug.mb.cahttp://muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.cahttp://muug.ca.
muug.mb.cahttp://muug.mb.ca will continue to work for other purposes, such as web access. We are disabling email to it to reduce incoming spam. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.camailto:roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.camailto:roundtable-leave@muug.ca
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Your "terrible example" (I agree!) raises another matter, which has irked me for many years. Why do purely Canadian undertakings that will never have relevance outside of Canada, gravitate to .com instead of .ca? Examples abound, but the one that grates me constantly is winnipegtransit.com. Among other things, it's not even a commercial operation!
We shouldn't follow the U.S. habit of making everything a .com (even their churches are usually .com, and their own .us is rarely seen).
Hartmut
On Sun 09 Nov 2025 at 22:52:46 -06:00, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
You're correct AFAIK, but you haven't been able to get any new province-level domain names for a long time, now, so it's largely irrelevant. Excerpt when it shouldn't be, e.g. my favourite terrible example, "city-plap.com" instead of the reserved "portagelaprairie.mb.ca", and, I believe, "portagelaprairie.ca". -Adam
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*From:* Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 9:20:03 PM *To:* MUUG - Round Table roundtable@muug.ca *Subject:* [RndTbl] Re: muug.mb.ca decomissioned for email
One problem with using the 3rd level (province-specific) domain name is, if the company or organization expands their scope across Canada (even if just partially), they will probably regret the province-specific implication of their domain name. Although, the last time I read the CIRA rules (several years ago), the 2nd level (direct .ca) would be waiting for them, because other than special cases like hydro, a 3rd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) the 2nd level, and a 2nd level registration reserves (makes unavailable to others) all the provincial 3rd level variants.
I should re-visit the CIRA rules on this, although I would only choose 2nd level in any case.
Hartmut
On Sun 09 Nov 2025 at 18:09:20 -06:00, Adam Thompson athompso@athompso.net wrote:
They're invalid because there aren't organizations with those names, not because they somehow all chose hydro.ca. instead. I agree, however, that 3-level domains are hugely on the decline in Canada... and I'm quite sad about that. -Adam
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*From:* Hartmut W Sager hwsager@marityme.net *Sent:* Sunday, November 9, 2025 1:26:26 AM *To:* MUUG - Round Table roundtable@muug.ca *Subject:* [RndTbl] Re: muug.mb.ca decomissioned for email
Good! Those provincial subdomains of .ca (resulting in 3rd level domains) have gone into almost total disuse in Canada. Even exceptions like hydro.mb.ca, where each province could legitimately want to do the same thing, is not being used much anymore. I just spot-checked hydro.on.ca and hydro.ns.ca, and they are invalid.
Hartmut
On Sat 08 Nov 2025 at 22:39:04 -06:00, Trevor Cordes trevor@tecnopolis.ca wrote:
We have decommissioned muug.mb.ca for incoming email as of today. If you have aliases/contacts/whatever set to use that domain for email, please update them to muug.ca.
muug.mb.ca will continue to work for other purposes, such as web access. We are disabling email to it to reduce incoming spam. _______________________________________________ Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca
Roundtable mailing list -- roundtable@muug.ca To unsubscribe send an email to roundtable-leave@muug.ca
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