For those of you not also subscribed to the PLUG mailing list, Syd Weidman points out that the census web site is now open to Linux:
http://www12.statcan.ca/IRC/english/advisory_e.htm
According to John Lange:
For those of you not also subscribed to the PLUG mailing list, Syd Weidman points out that the census web site is now open to Linux:
The advisory is rather brief, and doesn't explain things all that clearly. It's not obvious, for example, whether they've simply made an exception to allow the Linux OS specifically, or whether they've stopped checking for particular OS'es altogether. If it's not the latter, then they've missed the point, IMHO.
This shouldn't be about recognizing Linux as another alternative OS, but rather about supporting open standards. It shouldn't matter at all what OS is being used, as long as the browser itself is W3C compliant, has sufficient encryption technology in it, and has a supported JVM. If they've coded their web site to those specs, and tested with a few different browsers and system platforms, that's all that should matter.
The census web site also has another problem/limitation in it. I'm currently between two homes, so I had to complete a census for each home, but only mark myself as a resident of one. For the other, the number of people currently living there is 0 (zero), which you can indicate on the paper form, but which the online form does not accept. I ended up having to mail in the paper form for that one.
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 13:54 -0500, Gilbert E. Detillieux wrote:
According to John Lange:
For those of you not also subscribed to the PLUG mailing list, Syd Weidman points out that the census web site is now open to Linux:
The advisory is rather brief, and doesn't explain things all that clearly. It's not obvious, for example, whether they've simply made an exception to allow the Linux OS specifically, or whether they've stopped checking for particular OS'es altogether. If it's not the latter, then they've missed the point, IMHO.
It is far from clear but the wording seems to hint that the reason they restricted the site to specific OSes was because of a lack of tech support people familiar with anything but Windows.
This shouldn't be about recognizing Linux as another alternative OS, but rather about supporting open standards.
I completely agree.
It shouldn't matter at all what OS is being used, as long as the browser itself is W3C compliant, has sufficient encryption technology in it, and has a supported JVM.
Interesting you should mention the JVM. The "Linux Users" were satisfied with the change, the "Free Software" advocates are still complaining because you are required to use a proprietary JVM.
On Tue, 2006-05-16 at 13:54 -0500, Gilbert E. Detillieux wrote:
According to John Lange:
For those of you not also subscribed to the PLUG mailing list, Syd Weidman points out that the census web site is now open to Linux:
As the person whose name was attached to this observation, I feel obliged to explain why I thought it was an important development, in spite of my overall agreement with Gilbert's very articulate and salient comments.
This shouldn't be about recognizing Linux as another alternative OS, but rather about supporting open standards. It shouldn't matter at all what OS is being used, as long as the browser itself is W3C compliant, has sufficient encryption technology in it, and has a supported JVM. If they've coded their web site to those specs, and tested with a few different browsers and system platforms, that's all that should matter.
Publicly controlled (de jure) standards are simply unimportant (to those who make decisions) in a world which is a de facto monoculture. They only understand that "it works for me". Recognition that there is diversity is the first step to understanding why standards matter: yes, partly because standards support healthy competition amongst providers of end point hardware/software, but also for social and ethical reasons: because standards allow democratic participation from the broadest spectrum of persons. If there simply are no alternative endpoints -- no actual diversity -- competition is non-existent and in practice, ultimately impossible. In such an environment, enforced standards are (unfortunately but perhaps correctly) seen as a wasteful drag on certain companies' private innovation.
I celebrate that users of GNU/Linux have been officially recognized by the government because I see it as representing a step forward in awareness. Hopefully, this recognition will eventually lead to a greater understanding of the importance of public (or at least standardized) networks, whether they are networks of roads, wires, or ideas. After all, a standard is simply a network of agreement about ideas. Public education, for instance, lays a base of common understanding -- a standard -- which functions like a network in the sense that it enables communication between diverse individual "end points". I don't think it is an overstatement or alarmist to say that civilization depends on such networks for its continued existence.
If you want peace in the world, build connections, not barriers. Public networks (of all kinds) allow this to happen. Having our government recognize GNU/Linux users is indeed just a tiny step toward achieving that much broader goal.
The census web site also has another problem/limitation in it. I'm currently between two homes, so I had to complete a census for each home, but only mark myself as a resident of one. For the other, the number of people currently living there is 0 (zero), which you can indicate on the paper form, but which the online form does not accept. I ended up having to mail in the paper form for that one.
That's a pain. A FOSS alternative (as opposed to mere standards conformance) might have enabled you to have discovered this "feature" and submit a bug report well before census day :-)
Regards, Syd
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