And to give you an idea of the level… The routers I administer automatically start “randomly” dropping ICMP and UDP echo (destined for them) after 10k packets per second. That said, we also see on the order of 300-500k packets per second (and more) of traffic transiting the router. I would expect that Wikipedia is busier than that.

On Jul 7, 2023, at 09:34, David Milton <david@dmilton.ca> wrote:

This is normal for many busy routers. It’s a self defence mechanism where ICMP is always low priority (and UDP echo even more so) when compared to normal TCP/UDP transit traffic. ICMP must be handled directly by the router rather than “transit” traffic which these days is handled directly by the hardware. Routing takes priority and for busy routers it’s not uncommon for ICMP to show longer response time or packet loss.

On Jul 6, 2023, at 23:57, Brian Lowe <brian2@groupbcl.ca> wrote:

When I do an mtr from my home to Wikipedia, the host ae20.3518.ear1.Chicago3.level3.net shows a significant packet loss:

 

                              My traceroute  [v0.92]
laptop (192.168.1.1)                                2023-07-06T23:29:23-0500
Keys:  Help   Display mode   Restart statistics   Order of fields   quit
                                         Packets               Pings
Host                                    Loss%   Snt   Last   Avg  Best  Wrst
1. gateway                               0.0%    21    0.4   0.4   0.3   0.4
2. (ip address redacted)                 0.0%    21    8.8   9.0   8.0  11.6
3. rc2nr-be103-1.wp.shawcable.net        0.0%    20    8.9   9.4   8.5  10.1
4. 24.244.61.17                          0.0%    20    9.9   9.9   8.4  12.1
5. 24.244.60.173                         0.0%    20    9.4   9.7   8.9  11.3
6. rc2nr-be1.wp.shawcable.net            0.0%    20    9.9   9.4   8.4  10.2
7. rc3sc-be26.wp.shawcable.net           0.0%    20    9.8  10.0   9.0  12.3
8. rc4ec-be25-1.il.shawcable.net         0.0%    20   26.2  25.4  24.1  28.2
9. lag-104.ear5.Chicago2.Level3.net      0.0%    20   25.3  25.3  23.9  28.8
10. ae20.3518.ear1.Chicago3.level3.net  78.9%    20   26.9  25.6  24.2  26.9
11. WIKIMEDIA-F.ear1.Chicago3.Level3.net 0.0%    20   24.9  25.5  24.2  27.5
12. xe-5-2-1.cr2-codfw.wikimedia.org     0.0%    20   74.3  75.2  73.5  77.8
13. text-lb.codfw.wikimedia.org          0.0%    20   74.5  73.7  69.4  76.7

What I suspect is happening is only ICMP packets are being lost, not every packet going through that host, since Wikipedia doesn't seem to have degraded performance. Anyone care to offer other explanations or speculation?

 

Brian
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