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p.MsoNormal,p.MsoNoSpacing{margin:0}</style></head><body><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Furthermore, here's my Firefox settings "fonts, advanced ...":<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div class="align-center" style="position:relative;margin-top:1em;margin-right:0px;margin-bottom:1em;margin-left:0px;text-align:center;"><img style="max-width:100%;height:auto;" src="cid:17098861305980.6128037303177981@content.messagingengine.com"></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Of those settings, the only one that might have been me is the Times New Roman for serif(ied) font.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Hartmut<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div>----- Original message -----<br></div><div>From: Hartmut W Sager <<a href="mailto:hwsager@marityme.net">hwsager@marityme.net</a>><br></div><div>To: MUUG - Round Table <<a href="mailto:roundtable@muug.ca">roundtable@muug.ca</a>><br></div><div>Subject: Re: [RndTbl] firefox font weirdness?<br></div><div>Date: Friday, March 08, 2024 02:10<br></div><div><br></div><div type="cite" id="qt" style=""><div><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;">Oooh, ouch! I'm very sensitive to crap like that, and it has happened to me a few times over the years.</span><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;">Right now, I'm on (Win 10) Firefox ver 123.0 (nothing after the 0), but it wants to update me, which, in view of what you said, I will try to hold off. Besides, I have about 40 open tabs with unfinished business.</span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">I can also look up my Firefox settings on items of specific interest to you, since you can't view pre-123.0.2 settings.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">My Firefox default font is Times New Roman 16. (Hmmm, did I do that some time ago? - I don't recall, and I typically use Verdana 10 or 12 whenever I don't like someone else's font choice.) I haven't yet looked into all the "inspector" stuff you quoted.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;">Hartmut</span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><span class="font" style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif, sans-serif;"></span><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">On Fri 08 Mar 2024 at 01:52:09 -06:00, Trevor Cordes <<a href="mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca">trevor@tecnopolis.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote type="cite" id="qt-qt" style=""><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Has anyone noticed that newer/est(?) Firefox 123 (123.0.2) suddenly made<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">the fonts all weird in some cases?<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Like the default fonts were changed, and/or entire relaed css definitions<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">like line height?<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">I have a simple web page with no css set and no font settings and it<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">suddenly looks very different, with the font just "wrong" and line height<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">set very strangely. If I click webdev inspector it doesn't tell me what<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">font it's using, so it must be the firefox default. Settings says that's<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">bitstream vera serif / vera sans. I really have no way to see what the<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">default was before?<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Worse, a forum site I frequent suddenly has the textarea box go mental on<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">the font and line height. But only in firefox, and never before v123.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">The inspector shows<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">font-family: DejaVu Sans Mono,Monaco,Consolas,monospace<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">font: 83.33%/150% Segoe UI,Helvetica Neue,Nimubs Sans L,Arial,Liberation<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Sans,sans-serif<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">(I have no clue what the % prefixes are for in the font setting.)<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Inspector says all the heights and related font- stuff is normal.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">The font looks like a decent sans, but in no way is it monospaced as the<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">family indicates! If I type in numbers, they come out lighter gray (vs<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">the normal black text), and line height is normal. But if I type a single<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">letter on a line, all of a sudden that line gets about half-line-height<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">padding above and below itself! I can send a screenshot if desired.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">In Chromium all of this stuff works and looks normal (as firefox used to).<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">And the mono font really is mono on that forum textarea.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Is anyone else have font weirdness with firefox 123? Anything I can try<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">as a fix? Maybe I'm missing some fonts? The only font-y thing I've done<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">in the last year is try to get that new Monaspace stuff installed and<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">working in gnome-terminal, but even that hasn't been toyed with in over a<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">month.<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">If someone has firefox <122 installed still, what are the default fonts in<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">the settings?<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Thanks!<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">_______________________________________________<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;">Roundtable mailing list<br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca">Roundtable@muug.ca</a><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><a href="https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable">https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable</a><br></div><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div></blockquote><div style="font-family:verdana, sans-serif;"><br></div><div>_______________________________________________<br></div><div>Roundtable mailing list<br></div><div><a href="mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca">Roundtable@muug.ca</a><br></div><div><a href="https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable">https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable</a><br></div><div><br></div></div></body></html>