<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="overflow-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;">This is normal for many busy routers. It’s a self defence mechanism where ICMP is always low priority (and UDP echo even more so) when compared to normal TCP/UDP transit traffic. ICMP must be handled directly by the router rather than “transit” traffic which these days is handled directly by the hardware. Routing takes priority and for busy routers it’s not uncommon for ICMP to show longer response time or packet loss.<div><br></div><div><div><div><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jul 6, 2023, at 23:57, Brian Lowe <brian2@groupbcl.ca> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div><meta charset="UTF-8"><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;">When I do an mtr from my home to Wikipedia, the host ae20.3518.<a href="http://ear1.chicago3.level3.net/">ear1.Chicago3.level3.net</a> shows a significant packet loss:</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;"> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;"><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 0.92em; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);"> My traceroute [v0.92] </span><span style="font-family: monospace; font-size: 0.92em;"><br>laptop (192.168.1.1) 2023-07-06T23:29:23-0500 <br>Keys: Help Display mode Restart statistics Order of fields quit <br> Packets Pings <br>Host Loss% Snt Last Avg Best Wrst <br>1. gateway 0.0% 21 0.4 0.4 0.3 0.4 <br>2. (ip address redacted) 0.0% 21 8.8 9.0 8.0 11.6 <br>3. <a href="http://rc2nr-be103-1.wp.shawcable.net/">rc2nr-be103-1.wp.shawcable.net</a> 0.0% 20 8.9 9.4 8.5 10.1 <br>4. 24.244.61.17 0.0% 20 9.9 9.9 8.4 12.1 <br>5. 24.244.60.173 0.0% 20 9.4 9.7 8.9 11.3 <br>6. <a href="http://rc2nr-be1.wp.shawcable.net/">rc2nr-be1.wp.shawcable.net</a> 0.0% 20 9.9 9.4 8.4 10.2 <br>7. <a href="http://rc3sc-be26.wp.shawcable.net/">rc3sc-be26.wp.shawcable.net</a> 0.0% 20 9.8 10.0 9.0 12.3 <br>8. <a href="http://rc4ec-be25-1.il.shawcable.net/">rc4ec-be25-1.il.shawcable.net</a> 0.0% 20 26.2 25.4 24.1 28.2 <br>9. <a href="http://lag-104.ear5.chicago2.level3.net/">lag-104.ear5.Chicago2.Level3.net</a> 0.0% 20 25.3 25.3 23.9 28.8 <br>10. ae20.3518.<a href="http://ear1.chicago3.level3.net/">ear1.Chicago3.level3.net</a> 78.9% 20 26.9 25.6 24.2 26.9 <br>11. <a href="http://wikimedia-f.ear1.chicago3.level3.net/">WIKIMEDIA-F.ear1.Chicago3.Level3.net</a> 0.0% 20 24.9 25.5 24.2 27.5 <br>12. <a href="http://xe-5-2-1.cr2-codfw.wikimedia.org/">xe-5-2-1.cr2-codfw.wikimedia.org</a> 0.0% 20 74.3 75.2 73.5 77.8 <br>13. <a href="http://text-lb.codfw.wikimedia.org/">text-lb.codfw.wikimedia.org</a> 0.0% 20 74.5 73.7 69.4 76.7<br></span><span style="font-family: monospace;"><br></span>What I suspect is happening is only ICMP packets are being lost, not every packet going through that host, since Wikipedia doesn't seem to have degraded performance. Anyone care to offer other explanations or speculation?</div><p style="white-space: pre-wrap; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;"> </p><div style="white-space: pre-wrap; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; margin: 0px;">Brian</div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;">Roundtable mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="mailto:Roundtable@muug.ca" style="font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">Roundtable@muug.ca</a><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><a href="https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable" style="font-family: "LVC Sans"; font-size: 16px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: 400; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;">https://muug.ca/mailman/listinfo/roundtable</a></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>