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<div style="" dir="auto">Not wrong, but there are a LOT of users who can't even tolerate modest occasional "you're on the bleeding edge" pain. In fact I'd say nearly 100% of corporate Linux instances can't tolerate that - all the SMBs who can are merely a
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<div style="" dir="auto">Most of my clients (EDU) cannot tolerate one second more of downtime than absolutely necessary... during the school day, anyway. And those pain points don't come at predictable dates :-). If I started using a distro (no, not a dildo,
WTF autocorrect?!?!?) that I *knew* would cause even one hour more per year of service outage or degradation, I'd get lynched. (At my previous employers, I'd simply get fired.)</div>
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<div style="" dir="auto">IMHO, corporate Fedora users are unicorns, or, "it's nice work, if you can get it".</div>
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<div style="" dir="auto">We're now waiting to see if we get the exciting joy of migrating ~100 CentOS/Alma VMs to another distro, which would easily be a year-long project or more. Oh, or we could just buy RH's Enterprise license that provides blanket licensing
for<Infinity> VMs for only US$2500 per CPU socket... that's a really big ouch on a VMware cluster our size!</div>
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<div style="" dir="auto">Bah, humbug. Post CentOS "acquisition", we all suspected this day would come, but hoped it wouldn't.</div>
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<div style="" dir="auto">Unhappily,</div>
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<div id="divRplyFwdMsg" style="font-size: 11pt;"><strong>From:</strong> Trevor Cordes <trevor@tecnopolis.ca><br>
<strong>Sent:</strong> Friday, June 23, 2023 10:03:37 PM<br>
<strong>To:</strong> Alberto Abrao <alberto@abrao.net><br>
<strong>Cc:</strong> Continuation of Round Table discussion <roundtable@muug.ca>; Adam Thompson <athompso@athompso.net><br>
<strong>Subject:</strong> Re: [RndTbl] RHEL pulls source code<br>
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<div class="PlainText">On 2023-06-23 Alberto Abrao wrote:<br>
> I am always amazed by how far we've come, and yet we often manage to <br>
> screw it up because we're unable to see the bigger picture.<br>
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> Oh well.. it was a good run. Hope Debian sticks around. That's where <br>
> I'll be most likely going for the long-term. I am more of an RPM guy, <br>
> but between RH's shenanigans and having to battle snaps on every<br>
> release of a **server** distribution, that's where it's at.<br>
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Well, RH making dumb mistakes (ever since creating RHEL and making RH<br>
non-free) always causes a big upheaval in the Linux world. (Well, blame<br>
IBM this time.) This usually turns out for the better. Often it<br>
forces RH to backtrack.<br>
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It took about a year after RH's dumb RH->RHEL mistake to force them to<br>
create Fedora. Then the clones were created. CentOS being screwed up<br>
created Rocky, etc.<br>
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So I don't see this as all that bad at the moment. (Well, partly<br>
because it doesn't affect me, my boxes or my clients in the slightest.)<br>
I know something good will come out of it. Maybe a consolidated<br>
RHEL-replacement (RPM-based of course) created by the mega-corps might<br>
that Adam listed that are about to be hosed.<br>
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They can out-RHEL RHEL, one-upping them and getting all the users.<br>
Think Maria vs MySQL (who's that?). Of course, such a thing would take<br>
months and that means major pain or short-term RHEL subscriptions for<br>
all the RHEL-clone users.<br>
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(Heck, it gets me itching to do my big PHP fork idea again, as PHP goes<br>
down the path of insanity, too.)<br>
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As always it makes me reiterate my support for Fedora (until they screw<br>
that up...) which is still 100% free, has great easy upgrade paths, and<br>
if you play your cards right has only modest occasional "you're the<br>
bleeding edge now" pain.<br>
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