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    <p>Here is one from Google not related to MUUG.</p>
    <p>It seems OK?</p>
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    <p>Kind regards,<br>
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    <pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Alberto Abrao
204-202-1778
204-558-6886
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2020-04-03 2:01 a.m., Hartmut W
      Sager wrote:<br>
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            So you must mean your<br>
            > local spamass is marking it as spam.</div>
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            it!  It immediately reminds me:  In my accounting,
            "Assiniboine Credit Union" is coded as "AssCrU".<br>
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          <div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 01:51,
            Hartmut W Sager <<a href="mailto:hwsager@marityme.net"
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            <div dir="ltr">On Fri, 3 Apr 2020 at 00:32, Trevor Cordes
              <<a href="mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca" target="_blank"
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                  rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2020-04-02 Sean
                  Cody wrote:<br>
                  > Ultimately the signed messages get screwed up by
                  the mailing list.<br>
                  > The headers make that pretty clear and
                  spamassassin marks the message<br>
                  > ‘X-Spam: Yes’ when further below you see another
                  instance validate<br>
                  > the original receipt.<br>
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                  X-Spam from the MUUG server says it passes ok.  So you
                  must mean your<br>
                  local spamass is marking it as spam.<br>
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                  Mailman should not touch the body, and the headers
                  that are marked<br>
                  ("h=") you should be able to configure to ensure they
                  don't include any<br>
                  that mailman modify.<br>
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                  Hmm... maybe that means Subject: should be taken out
                  of h=.  The very<br>
                  first post to the list will have [RndTbl] prepended. 
                  Subsequent<br>
                  replies shouldn't have anything prepended, I don't
                  think.  Thinking<br>
                  about it a bit, it shouldn't be the end of the world
                  to remove Subject<br>
                  as a checked header.  Ya, it's not ideal, but that
                  only leaves the<br>
                  subject for spammers to abuse, still not the body.<br>
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                  I'm 99% positive mailman does not change Date, To, Cc,
                  In-Reply-To<br>
                  (seems absent) and (hopefully) References.  Excluding
                  IRT and Refs<br>
                  should likewise not cause any grief.<br>
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                  > Would recommend disable the DKIM check in
                  spamassassin on the mailing<br>
                  > list or strip DKIM headers before wrapping and
                  relaying the messages<br>
                  > to the list.   <<a
                    href="https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM</a>><br>
                  > <a href="https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM"
                    rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
                    moz-do-not-send="true">https://wiki.list.org/DEV/DKIM</a><br>
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                  Like I said, MUUG spamass seems to pass DKIM just fine
                  (on emails from<br>
                  all 3 of us).  Your idea about having mailman strip
                  the DKIM headers<br>
                  sounds like the better idea, however, some sites
                  (maybe gmail) are<br>
                  sticklers for DKIM working properly to avoid getting
                  in spamboxes.<br>
                  (Yes, usually one of the methods is enough.)<br>
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                  I can't find a TXT DK record for abrao.net... Mine are
                  all under<br>
                  main._domainkey.*, but is "main" user-selectable?  How
                  do the MTAs know<br>
                  which TXT record to retrieve?  Is it hidden in the dk
                  header somewhere?<br>
                  I'd like to look at Alberto's DK DNS record to see
                  what's going on<br>
                  there.<br>
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                  Argh.  This is why I don't like messing with this
                  stuff :-)  I prefer<br>
                  to wait for a fire and then put it out.  However,
                  gmail spamblocking<br>
                  Alberto is just such a fire...<br>
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                  And Sean is 100% correct that most of these antispam
                  methods are tough<br>
                  to jive with mailing lists.  The creators of these
                  things didn't think<br>
                  through all the use cases.  And thus we're stuck with
                  3-4 different<br>
                  standards, lots of the (non big-tech) players (like me
                  and Alberto)<br>
                  implementing 1 or fewer of them, and tons of real
                  world problems.<br>
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