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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">My ISP is Shaw res, with 3 IP addresses.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">I don't like feeding borgs either, but Gmail has two things I would miss:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">1.
Labels, which are superior to (and a true superset of) folders. I have
made extensive use of multi-categorizing many of my e-mails into
multiple labels. (No, copies into additional folders don't cut it.) I
really wish that a newer IMAP standard would come out to fully
accommodate labels, and that labels would get broad adoption in the
e-mail world.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">2. Easy e-mail sync across my devices - laptop/desktop, Android phone/tablet, etc.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)">As
for Gmail's datamining, sure, I know the big boys all do that, but I
haven't got much to hide. And I have never knowingly been sold anything
due to such
datamining either - I'm just not a significant consumer - nor have I
been receiving any identifiably targetted ads due to
datamining. So, I'm fine with the trade-off for the above Gmail
advantages, knowing that if I ever change my mind, I can go elsewhere
with the @mydomain addresses without updating anyone in the world.<br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:rgb(0,0,0)"> <br clear="all"></div><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><div><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif"><font size="2">Hartmut W Sager - Tel +1-204-339-8331</font></span></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div></div>
</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:verdana,sans-serif;font-size:small;color:#000000"> <br clear="all"></div><br></div><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 25 Mar 2020 at 01:30, Trevor Cordes <<a href="mailto:trevor@tecnopolis.ca">trevor@tecnopolis.ca</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">On 2020-03-25 Hartmut W Sager wrote:<br>
> I've had a lot of trouble in the last few months with Gmail's spam<br>
> filtering having become super-aggressive, but tonight we have a live<br>
> case worthy of analysis. In the thread "Opinions on Fedora Server"<br>
> initiated by Alberto Abrao <<a href="mailto:alberto@abrao.net" target="_blank">alberto@abrao.net</a>>, *both* of Alberto's<br>
> postings went to my Gmail spam, while Trevor Cordes's posting came<br>
> through fine.<br>
<br>
Gmail is a big pain in the ... from a mail admin's perspective. They<br>
do what they want. They're like the borg... trying to complain to them<br>
gets you the same result.<br>
<br>
I know a lot of MUUGers are using gmail for their own domains. They<br>
often get muug emails (especially from me) blocked or hidden in spam<br>
boxes. Hidden isn't so bad, but outright blocked is darn evil.<br>
<br>
For the uber-MUUGers, I still maintain that running your own MTA is a<br>
better choice. MTS makes it darn hard, but Shaw is doable even on res<br>
accounts if you get an outside smarthost for sending on another port<br>
(like 26) (or even use Shaw's on p25) -- they only block outgoing port<br>
25, not incoming.<br>
<br>
Don't feed the borg. They read and datamine all of your emails.<br>
<br>
> Yeah, I suspect the trouble is somewhere in Gmail's new expectations<br>
> re TXT SPF, DKIM, DomainKeys, and such.<br>
<br>
For Alberto's email, in gmail's web interface (or maybe even just in<br>
the textual headers if you use another MUA) you can dig down to the<br>
headers and they'll tell you precisely if spf and dk verified or not.<br>
Yes, gmail and hotmail and yahoo now make it pretty much required you<br>
have at least one of those technologies running (and one is usually<br>
good enough). If you check Alberto's, maybe you can let him know which<br>
ones he might be missing. Looks like Alberto is using a Shaw business<br>
setup and has proper dns and rdns working, and seems to run his own MTA.<br>
Looks like a good setup Alberto!<br>
<br>
Good luck!<br>
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